ETOPS for SkyWest 700/900??

[jehtplane]

These People know less about ETOPS than I know about HGH, by the way I learned about HGH from my mother, and I think Mr Pettite misremembers everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dojetdriver]

We're not a regional, we're a commuter.

Thats right. And it will give new meaning to the term "puddle jumper".

 

[John Pennekamp]

ASA has the "exemption" ETOPS, and has used it for well over a year. It allows our -700s to go directly over the Gulf of Mex to places like Belize. It could also be used for service like JFK-SJU and JFK-Bermuda

 

[TOOL CRIB]

ASA has the "exemption" ETOPS, and has used it for well over a year. It allows our -700s to go directly over the Gulf of Mex to places like Belize. It could also be used for service like JFK-SJU and JFK-Bermuda

ASA doesn't have ETOPS. We are approved for extended overwater operations on the CRJ700. All they had to do for that was make us watch a video, tell us to stay with the boundaries (up to 162nm off shore) and install bigger life vests. And a lot of paperwork I'm sure.

 

[John Pennekamp]

ASA doesn't have ETOPS. We are approved for extended overwater operations on the CRJ700. All they had to do for that was make us watch a video, tell us to stay with the boundaries (up to 162nm off shore) and install bigger life vests. And a lot of paperwork I'm sure.

Right. I should have said "ETOPS" because it's really just an exemption. RJs are not going to europe!

 

[XPOO]

I may be wrong...but I thought the exemption was an hour on driftdown from the nearest "suitable" airport...not just any type of land. Am I confusing this with another exemption?

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I may be wrong...but I thought the exemption was an hour on driftdown from the nearest "suitable" airport...not just any type of land. Am I confusing this with another exemption?

Nope, ASA does 162nm from the nearest "shoreline". That's down in the Caribbean anyway.

 

[XPOO]

I used to dispatch 737-200 flights from KSFB to TKPK (St. Kitts), and we had a NM restriction and a suitable airport restriction to go with it. But the operation was pretty Mickey Mouse anyways. So maybe they had it all screwed up to begin with. LOL!

 

[Willy21]

ASA has the "exemption" ETOPS, and has used it for well over a year. It allows our -700s to go directly over the Gulf of Mex to places like Belize. It could also be used for service like JFK-SJU and JFK-Bermuda

Check your distance on JFK - Bermuda and you will find it is much more than 162 miles from land, more than 800 miles over the water. Bermuda needs a raft end of story.

 

[XPOO]

Beg to differ, my previous company flew the JFK-BDA. There are tiny little islands along the way out there that are within the 162NM restriction.

 

[SilverandSore]

Beg to differ, my previous company flew the JFK-BDA. There are tiny little islands along the way out there that are within the 162NM restriction.

Looking at Google Map I don't see jack along the way!

 

[XPOO]

Sorry, correction, it was 737-800 they were using which has a looser NM restriction. I think when I was dispatching the 737-200 is was around 180NM. Maybe the -800 is more like 270NM?

 

[Willy21]

Looking at the numbers I will admit JFK - TXKF is more like 600 miles over the water. After flying that route many times I have never seen any tiny islands, much less a hard surface to land an airplane. I am sure the FAA's true intent of the overwater restriction is to provide a place that the pax and crew can get access to emergency services. I would think tiny islands or sandbars don't fit the bill.

Until I see evidence of tiny islands between JFK and TXKF I will stand firm in the statement that when flying to Bermuda you need a raft.

 

[Willy21]

Your 737-800 didn't have rafts? I would think you would lose a lot of the capabilities of the airplane without a raft.

 

[XPOO]

The 738 had rafts and lifevests. But the route takes you down toward ILM (Wilmington, NC) and then out toward BDA. The distance is *about* 535NM from there.

 

[Willy21]

That would explain it, more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[XPOO]

Its been almost 4 years...but flying the 732 from SFB to TKPK we had to keep the aircraft *i think* 180NM from land and 1 hr driftdown from a suitable airport. It was really tricky when using UJ- and T-Routes.

 

[Texx]

Right. I should have said "ETOPS" because it's really just an exemption. RJs are not going to europe!

EOW.. Extend Overwater

 

[Headfake14]

ASA has the "exemption" ETOPS, and has used it for well over a year. It allows our -700s to go directly over the Gulf of Mex to places like Belize. It could also be used for service like JFK-SJU and JFK-Bermuda

The CRJ will never goto TXKF. ETOPS is a certification. EOW has the exemptions...which is what ASA has. There are no tiny islands on the way from the mainland to TXKF.

Like I said earlier...rafts are big...and heavy. You'd lose too many seats...they'll never be on a CRJ. Now, perhaps on Canadair's answer to the E190...but that is still just a pretty drawing.

 

[B727FA]

ETOPS is very different than EOW.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I can't feel my legs!!!!!!!!!!

 

[texarkana]

I think y'all need to understand what ETOPS really is, go look it up. Not my place to educate everyone. Lots of $$ will be spent on some more complex maintenance schemes, RJ operators won't pay that kind of cash.

 

[dispatchguy]

I remember reading something on Bombardier's website that they have no plan to get the CRJ-2/-7/-9 certified for ETOPS. Extended Overwater sure, but not ETOPS.

 

[bigboeings]

You might want to read what ETOPS really means. You can be ETOPS over land, I've done it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

701 is correct. ASA had the approval and I'm surprised it took SkyWest this long to get it.

Like Nethan wrote, these AR routes are mostly used to get the NY to FL traffic out over the water and the Caribbean.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

A regional shouldn't be doing this sort of flying.

OK I won't.
I do agree with you though!
PBR

 

[mamba20]

162 miles off shore. All pilots are getting trained as we speak...

Thats not ETOPS.

 

[comrcap]

AR = Atlantic Routes

They are routes that are used to cross the Atlantic to go to Europe.

Something I hope they never try in an RJ, that would make for a interesting flight....talk about wet footprint!!!:laugh:

Been AR routes at Comair for over a year now. Big deal. NOT! RJ engines are just as reliable as those BIG BAD DELTA engines...

 

[Quimby]

AR routes = NOT Nat tracks. big difference.

later gator.

 

[GuinessGuy]

You would have to also ETOP certify the maintenance dept. At a commuter........that's funny.
Great, some 18 year old 400 hr dude tying up the HF.....