Endeavor Flow for New Hires

[bafanguy]

Just talked to DAL guy. ...and they are hoping most will stay, vs leaving for aa/ual later. He didn't say if DAL was concerned about losing his to overseas hiring.

Interesting. Was the DL guy you spoke with a line pilot or someone connected enough to the HR process to actually speak with some authority about management intentions/decisions ?

And, why would anyone get on with DL only to leave for UAL/AA ?

Why would anyone leave DL (or any US legacy considering the number of mandatory retirements they all have...and the career advancement that offers) to enter the expat world ?

[not trying to pick a fight...just asking questions about what the guy told you]

 

[sinkrate]

Interesting. Was the DL guy you spoke with a line pilot or someone connected enough to the HR process to actually speak with some authority about management intentions/decisions ?

And, why would anyone get on with DL only to leave for UAL/AA ?

Why would anyone leave DL (or any US legacy considering the number of mandatory retirements they all have...and the career advancement that offers) to enter the expat world ?

[not trying to pick a fight...just asking questions about what the guy told you]

The problem is staffing the regional's, not Delta. In a few months, if not already, Endeavor will be losing more pilots to other carriers than they are to Delta. Delta thought this EtD program and the SSP program would slow that down. It hasn't. The EtD program has been a spectacular failure. By the start of next summers flying season Endeavor will not be able to staff the large RJ's Delta has committed to them, much less the smaller 50 seaters. So the problem is 'what will Delta do about it's two largest regional feeders imploding?' Will they try to actually make Endeavor work? By all appearances that is their desire now - but so far their management team has failed spectacularly at that. Will they abandon Endeavor and sell them to Go Jets or Mesa? Possibly - but that would be a complete change in their current thinking. Will they bring part of the large RJ flying 'in house' and put those AC on the Delta seniority list? Doubtful. That would set up a number of problems versus their other contract carriers. It would also import Endeavors recruiting problems into Delta. If a pilot has the choice of going to United and starting in a 73 versus going to Delta and starting in an RJ which is he going to choose?

It appears senior Delta management is still hanging on to their belief that the regional feed market is still a buyers market with an unlimited supply of pilots. They very well may be painting themselves into a corner.

 

[General Lee]

Interesting. Was the DL guy you spoke with a line pilot or someone connected enough to the HR process to actually speak with some authority about management intentions/decisions ?

And, why would anyone get on with DL only to leave for UAL/AA ?

Why would anyone leave DL (or any US legacy considering the number of mandatory retirements they all have...and the career advancement that offers) to enter the expat world ?

[not trying to pick a fight...just asking questions about what the guy told you]

The only guys I see leaving the US for expat jobs in the next 10 years are disgruntled Regional pilots who can't get on with a US legacy. They will pass the multitude of current Expats over there fleeing to come back to the States. Need proof? Read PPRUNE in the ME section. Turns out everything ain't great over there, even with huge growth. They can try to make Dubai look like South Beach, but in reality, it just isn't. China airlines may pay great Expat wages, but locals don't get the same and resent the incoming pilots. Not great CRM. Add the language barrier and pollution, and you and your family may have a bad experience.

I see a bit more consolidation (LCCs mainly) and 4 or 5 big carriers in the US, with a few Regionals hanging on as most hireable pilots leave. Unless there are scholarship opportunities paid for by the Legacies, I don't see many paying that much money for ratings or aviation college that results in a Regional job after 1500 hours.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SoberIrishman]

Or, how about spreading some of those massive legacy carrier profits so the regionals that remain can make a bit more, and therefore attract new hires with decent pay and conditions?

 

[PCL_128]

Or, how about spreading some of those massive legacy carrier profits so the regionals that remain can make a bit more, and therefore attract new hires with decent pay and conditions?

Why? They've already determined that doing so isn't financially beneficial to them. With scope restricted where it is today, paying regional pilots what it would take to attract qualified new hires would just drive seat mile costs too high. Better to just put more 717s, A319s, etc. at mainline. At least at current oil prices.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Why? They've already determined that doing so isn't financially beneficial to them. With scope restricted where it is today, paying regional pilots what it would take to attract qualified new hires would just drive seat mile costs too high. Better to just put more 717s, A319s, etc. at mainline. At least at current oil prices.

Because Delta operates on the principals of integrity and mutual respect?

 

[PCL_128]

Because Delta operates on the principals of integrity and mutual respect?

Thanks. It's rare that I get such a good laugh from Flightinfo.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I would say that is not totally accurate. The cost would be minimal if the market analysis is properly done. Sure there will have to be less 50 seaters, but you cannot serve all markets with large aircraft. A balance has to be struck.

 

[PCL_128]

They would love to serve some markets with smaller airplanes; just as long as they don't have to pay much for them. As soon as they have to start paying fair wages, it's no longer economical. The seat mile costs are just too high.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I would say that is not totally accurate. The cost would be minimal if the market analysis is properly done. Sure there will have to be less 50 seaters, but you cannot serve all markets with large aircraft. A balance has to be struck.

The balance won't be struck with 50 seat RJs. 402s maybe.