Encore Study Materials

[Beeza]

Does anyone know of where I could find some online study materials. I am starting sim training first at NJ with a short notice so I am to receive my materials when I arrive in Toledo on Sunday. Thanks

 

[RedEye1]

Have you called FSI in TOL, tell them bastads to fedex them books to ya.

 

[Beeza]

Anyone in the Encore care to enlighten me about what I might expect in respect to the aircraft, schedule...etc... I will be based in Dallas commuting from STL. Thanks

 

[Ultra Grump]

They have some good instructors in TOL (with an exception or 2). TOL itself sucks, but at least it's not the middle of winter.

 

[Twotter76]

Just a heads up if you are going to TOL then you will most likely be learning the Ultra and having to take an Ultra checkride as there is no Encore sim in TOL. You will then get differences training after you finish. I know it sucks but that seems to be the way they are doing it now. I myself am going to do some Encore differences training this coming tour as I bid into the fleet from the Ultra - I can let you know what to expect if you like.

 

[General Lee]

Just curious, what are the main differences between the Encore and the Ultra? Any change to the systems up front?

Friend of mine works for a Part 91 operator looking at getting one.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Just curious, what are the main differences between the Encore and the Ultra? Any change to the systems up front?

Friend of mine works for a Part 91 operator looking at getting one.

As someone else put it here, it's the same whore with a different dress.

 

[cezzna]

Encore has hot wings, trailing link gear, 5400lbs. fuel instead of 5800lbs., most likely the UNS series of FMS instead of the GNS-XLS. Fastest climbing Cessna they make. Both will go straight to 410 at any weight, the encore faster to get there though. It climbs better but cruise is the same or almost negligable difference. The biggest stink with the Encore is the emer press. Fly along at cruise altitude for a couple of hours and then try to use it. It most likely won't work. When the Encore first came out the EP valve had a problem with opening uncommanded during the descent. They fixed this but it still doesn't work when you want it to if it is cold soaked. To the best of my knowledge Cessna says it is fixed but has unofficially given up on fixing it. This is the primary reason (in my opinion) you guys are now flying beechjunk raytheon 400's.

In a nutshell, it's a great airplane minus the emer press problems. The Ultra is more reliable and probably the better airplane.

my 2 cents

 

[Guitar rocker]

This is the primary reason (in my opinion) you guys are now flying beechjunk raytheon 400's.

I'd rather have the emer press problem than a dual engine flameout. We are still taking the Encore as we speak. By the way, the FMS in the Encore is honeywell....for the time being.

 

[Beeza]

I understand the fleet in the Encore is small, how many are expected to be delivered in the future? Are guys in the encore getting worked hard?

 

[Twotter76]

There are 17 Encores in the Fleet currently with 2 more supposedly being delivered this year and I think thats it for the fleet.

 

[wanttofly]

I fly the Encore, night and day between the Encore and Ultra. It does stink that you are having to go through ultra and then transition to the encore. It has been decided though that they will make all of the recurrents in the encore sim. As far as the schedule goes it really depends on which coast you end up on. If you make it to the west you will have usually have easier days than on the east coast.

Send me a pm with any specific questions that you might have. Would not worry to much, when I started here I went to TOL on very short notice before going to indoc. They would not send me any info because they claimed NJ would not allow it.

 

[cezzna]

After the end of the year any Encore's will be the Encore+, which will carry 200lbs. more has Fadecs and the proline avionics.

I've flown both, and the Encore is more fun but our ultra was bulletproof. The old school pressurization on the ultra was trouble free. Lots of pressurization problems with early ultra's.

Another surprising thing, the Ultra has better high hot numbers(less bypass).

 

[Guitar Guy]

Are guys in the encore getting worked hard?

It does seem to be picking up lately. I didn't get much OT last tour, but most duty days were right about 11-12 hours in length.

Anyone in the Encore care to enlighten me about what I might expect in respect to the aircraft, schedule...etc... I will be based in Dallas commuting from STL. Thanks

Out of DAL, you are convenient for either east- or west-coast flying. There are pluses and minuses to both coasts, in my experience so far. Also, if you want the 7/7 schedule, Tuesdays and Thursdays are your start days. If you want the reserve schedule, you may have to wait to get it once you finish up training because the reserve actually went senior and SIC's were junior-assigned to the 7/7. That was a first for any fleet/seat combo, according to the union.

Good luck with training. Just study, keep a positive attitude, know your SOP's and you'll do just fine.

See you online someday in the near future.

 

[Spiritflight]

Is the type rating for the Encore a CE-500? I figure so...

 

[Guitar Guy]

Is the type rating for the Encore a CE-500? I figure so...

Yes, it is for the CE-500. That type rating covers both the Ultra and the Encore, among other models.