Emirates training course

[Varmint]

Why do they keep hiring them then? from what friends of mine that are captains there (these are not regional guys and a few of them are not from the U.S.) tell me is that the pass rate is pretty good with former regional guys, so if these guys are passing their training and getting certified on the line within the same program that everyone else, one has to wonder what is behind this "branding" is it attitude? resentment because they are perceived to have had it easy in their careers? is it airmanship? and if it is, how come they are passing training? Or is it plain old anti American attitude?
For what I have experienced working abroad (this is not my first venture into the international jobs market) is that most of the people in charge of interviewing and selecting pilots in airlines outside of the U.S. are not even aware of the whole "mainline vs. regional" pilots none sense, so one has to wonder if this stigma wasn't planted into the EK culture by the U.S. pilots themselves.

They keep hiring them because of supply/demand and the fact that recruiting does the hiring, not the training department. While I would not go so far to say that it is anti-american attitude, some here believe that is fine to jump from a cessna into a B-737 or A-320 and sometimes a B747 at BA or Lufthansa (and other airlines) with 300-500 hours when it suits their career progression, but for some reason it is not fine for a US guy to jump from an RJ to a B-777 cockpit with 5-15 years of actual line flying experience, pilot in command experience, and thousands of flight hours. They make it purposely more difficult by riding the US guys harder during training and grading them more toughly.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

some here believe that is fine to jump from a cessna into a B-737 or A-320 and sometimes a B747 at BA or Lufthansa (and other airlines) with 300-500 hours when it suits their career progression, but for some reason it is not fine for a US guy to jump from an RJ to a B-777 cockpit with 5-15 years of actual line flying experience, pilot in command experience, and thousands of flight hours.

Funny how the whole perception thing works. I had dinner a few months back with a friend in Singapore (A320 captain with an LCC) and he brought two other guys from his company with him, in the course of the evening the topic of new hires at his company came up and one of his colleagues made the comment as to how pathetic that only RJ guys were applying lately, It stroke me as very odd since an hour earlier he was telling a "there I was on my BAE146" story about his former company, when I asked as to what he found pathetic about it since he was a regional pilot himself when he applied, "well I flew for a regional in Europe, it is not the same thing" he replied.

They make it purposely more difficult by riding the US guys harder during training and grading them more toughly.

But still the pass rate is high, hum? that puzzles me. My hat is off to the training department at EK I guess

 

[Varmint]

Funny how the whole perception thing works. I had dinner a few months back with a friend in Singapore (A320 captain with an LCC) and he brought two other guys from his company with him, in the course of the evening the topic of new hires at his company came up and one of his colleagues made the comment as to how pathetic that only RJ guys were applying lately, It stroke me as very odd since an hour earlier he was telling a "there I was on my BAE146" story about his former company, when I asked as to what he found pathetic about it since he was a regional pilot himself when he applied, "well I flew for a regional in Europe, it is not the same thing" he replied.

But still the pass rate is high, hum? that puzzles me. My hat is off to the training department at EK I guess

The same mentality exists here among some instructors...hence the training issues. I would be interested to hear his justification for the big difference in flying for a regional in Europe vs the US.

EK has good TRE's. Most of them are very very fair and they have a big picture attitude towards things which gives way to the high pass rate after the "training" course.

 

[Freight Dog]

The same mentality exists here among some instructors...hence the training issues. I would be interested to hear his justification for the big difference in flying for a regional in Europe vs the US.

EK has good TRE's. Most of them are very very fair and they have a big picture attitude towards things which gives way to the high pass rate after the "training" course.

My understanding is that European pilots flying regional jets in Europe are the pilots who for whatever reason didn't get accepted into ab-initio or a cadet deal with the national carrier, but are still pursuing a flying career on their own. Unlike in the US, someone flying for a regional in Europe will never fly for "mainline" or their national carrier.

I heard that from a German colleague. Don't know how accurate or applicable it is elsewhere.

 

[Flyer1015]

Unlike in the US, someone flying for a regional in Europe will never fly for "mainline" or their national carrier.

These days, that's like 50% of regional guys. For many, it just ain't worth leaving no more!

 

[Freight Dog]

These days, that's like 50% of regional guys. For many, it just ain't worth leaving no more!

Yeah, but at least US regional guys have a chance... For some European folks from what I gather, it's not even a possibility.

 

[the turtle]

This is funny because every 777 guy that has jumpseated on my flights say its the best and easiest flying plane by far that they've ever flown. They must really go out of their way to make a 777 training program difficult. I mean most people's biggest concern is the V1 cut and doesn't the 777 give you rudder automatically?

yep. but they've failed the TAC for every V1 cut

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I would be interested to hear his justification for the big difference in flying for a regional in Europe vs the US.

I didn't ask, somebody who makes that claim not to a blond in some bar but to other pilots is clearly stupid, as a rule of thumb I don't try to reason with stupid.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

yep. but they've failed the TAC for every V1 cut

No big deal, just plan on jamming your foot to the floor and work in the rudder trim. It flys 90% like a 767.

 

[rway36]

Do corporate guys stand a chance?

Seeing what there mins are does a corporate lear jet driver stand a chance of getting in and being successful? Just wondering what the jump is like from a sports car where you actually do some hand flying to a large platform like a 777.

Thanks

There Mins:
First Officers
Current ICAO ATPL
4,000 hours total flying time
2,000 hours flown in multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft -OR- 2,500 hours total flying time on commercial multi-engine multi-crew aircraft jet
Preference given to pilots with > 2,000 hours medium to heavy jets
English Proficiency (ICAO Level4)
Current within the last 12 months prior to the date of joining

 

[SonicPig]

This is funny because every 777 guy that has jumpseated on my flights say its the best and easiest flying plane by far that they've ever flown. They must really go out of their way to make a 777 training program difficult. I mean most people's biggest concern is the V1 cut and doesn't the 777 give you rudder automatically?

Some of these guys have a checklist for taking a dump. Remove 5 squares of TP; no more no less, wipe twice front to back, 3 inch wipes timed for 1.5 seconds. NO MORE, NO LESS. Make the proper callouts, stand, raise drawers, raise trousers, (not pants you American idiot), buckle belt , walk smartly to sink, wash hands, blow nose, check tie and uniform, (you have to wear it to sim training, I mean checking/grading), exit bathroom, walk to briefing room, swallow pride, bite tongue and prepare to eat s#@t.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[Dieterly]

You guys are describing checking, sorry they call it "training" at Cathay. Also, Kenny hit the nail right on the head when comes to Aussies and their view on flying...

 

[Varmint]

Seeing what there mins are does a corporate lear jet driver stand a chance of getting in and being successful? Just wondering what the jump is like from a sports car where you actually do some hand flying to a large platform like a 777.

Thanks

There Mins:
First Officers
Current ICAO ATPL
4,000 hours total flying time
2,000 hours flown in multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft -OR- 2,500 hours total flying time on commercial multi-engine multi-crew aircraft jet
Preference given to pilots with > 2,000 hours medium to heavy jets
English Proficiency (ICAO Level4)
Current within the last 12 months prior to the date of joining

Unless you have some past Airline experience, EK will not even look at you. Some guys who were furloughed from airlines and went to fly corporate have gotten in but only because of their past Airline experience.

 

[777forever]

Some of these guys have a checklist for taking a dump. Remove 5 squares of TP; no more no less, wipe twice front to back, 3 inch wipes timed for 1.5 seconds. NO MORE, NO LESS. Make the proper callouts, stand, raise drawers, raise trousers, (not pants you American idiot), buckle belt , walk smartly to sink, wash hands, blow nose, check tie and uniform, (you have to wear it to sim training, I mean checking/grading), exit bathroom, walk to briefing room, swallow pride, bite tongue and prepare to eat s#@t.

That pretty much sums it up.

You have to be in full uniform for training?

 

[SonicPig]

You have to be in full uniform for training?

Don't have to wear the hat. That's pretty lenient on their part.