Emirates places order for 50 Boeing 777-300 ERs with options for 20 777-300 ERs

[Varmint]

I have a problem with this statement!

These expats were enslave the minute their sponsor confiscated their passport. This is force slavery!! These expats came to Dubai with a understanding they would be paid a certain salary. As soon as their sponsor confiscated their passport, they quickly found out the hard way they were deceived.

Many of the expats attempted to get help through various Embassies and Non-profit organization through no avail. So the only alternative to their situation was to save up enough money to pay off the debt that enable them to travel to Dubai and pay for their return travel home. Many of these expats would not stay if their passport was return to them. Do you here these types of stories from professionals (i.e. Pilots, Medical Prof., Engineers)?

Many expats from all over the globe relocate to other locations so they could better their lives. Sadly many of them realized that the grass is not as green on the other side of the fence as they thought.

Bottom line, no person should be force into slavery.

Don't you think international humanitarian efforts would be all over Dubai and the UAE if these claims were actually substantiated. Do you think that these organizations have not come and investigated the accusations this guy made in his article? This Harri guy over exaggerated the situation here, highlighted a couple of horror stories, and made it look as though everyone here plays the same abusive game, which they don't. My god....go watch the national geographic special about young girls being trafficked across the US...at least that source is halfway credible.

 

[av8tordude23]

Don't you think international humanitarian efforts would be all over Dubai and the UAE if these claims were actually substantiated. Do you think that these organizations have not come and investigated the accusations this guy made in his article? This Harri guy over exaggerated the situation here, highlighted a couple of horror stories, and made it look as though everyone here plays the same abusive game, which they don't. My god....go watch the national geographic special about young girls being trafficked across the US...at least that source is halfway credible.

First, I never said these claims were substantiated! My post only references the highlighted part that Flyer1015 posted! As for the author over-exaggerating his story and later changing it only brings up more questions than answers. As for human trafficking, it happens around the globe, not just only in the U.S. The US is not the only country that exist on this planet!

 

[Flyer1015]

I have a problem with this statement!

These expats were enslave the minute their sponsor confiscated their passport. This is force slavery!! These expats came to Dubai with a understanding they would be paid a certain salary. As soon as their sponsor confiscated their passport, they quickly found out the hard way they were deceived.

Many of the expats attempted to get help through various Embassies and Non-profit organization through no avail. So the only alternative to their situation was to save up enough money to pay off the debt that enable them to travel to Dubai and pay for their return travel home. Many of these expats would not stay if their passport was return to them. Do you here these types of stories from professionals (i.e. Pilots, Medical Prof., Engineers)?

Many expats from all over the globe relocate to other locations so they could better their lives. Sadly many of them realized that the grass is not as green on the other side of the fence as they thought.

Bottom line, no person should be force into slavery.

You misunderstood me. My expat horror story was about the naiive business couple who bought property and managed some business and once it tanked, they owed lots of money. Being broke, they had no where to go, and found out that unlike in the west they cannot just declare bankruptcy. The husband was jailed and wife living out of a car. Had they studied up on UAE laws and looked into property ownership and debt, they would have been educated about their decisions.

I hope that clarifies it. I agree with your above post though. Also worth mentioning, the horror story of that African lady as a slave worked from 6am to 1am with no days off is a truly sad story. The fact that her 'owners' was an expat Australian family is horrifying. There is no reason anyone from a deveoloped, first world country should treat someone like that in Dubai.

 

[Varmint]

First, I never said these claims were substantiated! My post only references the highlighted part that Flyer1015 posted! As for the author over-exaggerating his story and later changing it only brings up more questions than answers. As for human trafficking, it happens around the globe, not just only in the U.S. The US is not the only country that exist on this planet!

Good...glad we agree then.

 

[777forever]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/09/unethical-journalism


Here is an article about the author of that story you quoted. My article is from 2011, yours is from 2009. Seems as though Mr Hari may have altered some quotes and made the situation seem more dramatic and widespread to sensationalize his article.

My apologies. I was so shocked by the article I posted it without doing any additional research. Thank goodness it was a sensationalized article. Even if it was true, it nothing compared to the atrocities and USA committed along the way to becoming a superpower. I've come to realize there is no country in the world that doesn't have skeletons in the closet.

 

[Varmint]

My apologies. I was so shocked by the article I posted it without doing any additional research. Thank goodness it was a sensationalized article. Even if it was true, it nothing compared to the atrocities and USA committed along the way to becoming a superpower. I've come to realize there is no country in the world that doesn't have skeletons in the closet.

No need for an apology. When you read or watch something in mainstream media you expect it to be accurate. It is an eye opener when you think of how the mainstream media can steer the direction and the thoughts on a country, the economy, elections, fear about oil prices, and other very important topics especially if the information is skewed, simply inaccurate, or if its been over sensationalized in a ratings grab.

 

[Kalifornia]

How slick so many will roll over and kiss thy royal's rump for thy giant jet. William Wallace and George Washington are rolling over in their graves.

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/living-in-dubai-knowing-the-rules-10831

Sexual Relationships - unless you are married in Dubai you cannot have sex! Even if you have been cohabiting with your partner for decades before you move to Dubai, once you are in Dubai you cannot even legally live together. If you holiday in the emirate and you’re unmarried and you come to the attention of the authorities for some reasons, if it’s then discovered you’re sharing a room and a bed you can be jailed and then deported. In terms of expatriates living in Dubai, if you’re not married to your partner, you cannot live with them and you cannot sleep with them. Do not take the risk.
If you conceive a baby outside of marriage in the UAE you and your partner face imprisonment – and you might think you can get away with it and marry quickly perhaps? But when it comes time to register the birth the authorities can look at when you married and when the baby was born, and if the sums don’t add up you could still be in trouble. Do not take the risk.

 

[Varmint]

How slick so many will roll over and kiss thy royal's rump for thy giant jet. William Wallace and George Washington are rolling over in their graves.

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/living-in-dubai-knowing-the-rules-10831

Sexual Relationships - unless you are married in Dubai you cannot have sex! Even if you have been cohabiting with your partner for decades before you move to Dubai, once you are in Dubai you cannot even legally live together. If you holiday in the emirate and you’re unmarried and you come to the attention of the authorities for some reasons, if it’s then discovered you’re sharing a room and a bed you can be jailed and then deported. In terms of expatriates living in Dubai, if you’re not married to your partner, you cannot live with them and you cannot sleep with them. Do not take the risk.
If you conceive a baby outside of marriage in the UAE you and your partner face imprisonment – and you might think you can get away with it and marry quickly perhaps? But when it comes time to register the birth the authorities can look at when you married and when the baby was born, and if the sums don’t add up you could still be in trouble. Do not take the risk.

They can roll in their graves all they want...this is the UAE, not the USA so nobody here cares if they spin themselves a web.

Thanks for posting the rules in Dubai they are actually factual and very informative. Don't most Christian religions teach the same values you highlighted above? I guess the laws that are based on the ten commandments in the USA...such as murdering, stealing, lying should be repealed.....After all, our founding fathers in the US were very religious as well.

 

[777forever]

How slick so many will roll over and kiss thy royal's rump for thy giant jet. William Wallace and George Washington are rolling over in their graves.

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/living/more/living-in-dubai-knowing-the-rules-10831

Sexual Relationships - unless you are married in Dubai you cannot have sex! Even if you have been cohabiting with your partner for decades before you move to Dubai, once you are in Dubai you cannot even legally live together. If you holiday in the emirate and you’re unmarried and you come to the attention of the authorities for some reasons, if it’s then discovered you’re sharing a room and a bed you can be jailed and then deported. In terms of expatriates living in Dubai, if you’re not married to your partner, you cannot live with them and you cannot sleep with them. Do not take the risk.
If you conceive a baby outside of marriage in the UAE you and your partner face imprisonment – and you might think you can get away with it and marry quickly perhaps? But when it comes time to register the birth the authorities can look at when you married and when the baby was born, and if the sums don’t add up you could still be in trouble. Do not take the risk.

You are correct about the law but it is hardly enforced. You'll be ok as long as you use common sense ie don't have sex on the beach

 

[777forever]

No need for an apology. When you read or watch something in mainstream media you expect it to be accurate. It is an eye opener when you think of how the mainstream media can steer the direction and the thoughts on a country, the economy, elections, fear about oil prices, and other very important topics especially if the information is skewed, simply inaccurate, or if its been over sensationalized in a ratings grab.

Isn't that the truth. You and TP provide the best unbiased info on Emirates and life at EK. Do you know EK is ok with colorblind pilots? I know they do a pretty thorough medical. I have the FAA waiver but no clue on how that will fly over there.

 

[Varmint]

Isn't that the truth. You and TP provide the best unbiased info on Emirates and life at EK. Do you know EK is ok with colorblind pilots? I know they do a pretty thorough medical. I have the FAA waiver but no clue on how that will fly over there.

I know of a guy that had to find a specific AME that would give him a lantern test rather than the typical colored dots book. The GCAA accepted the pass on the lantern test. If you come armed with positive test results from the lantern test you would be fine.

 

[777forever]

I know of a guy that had to find a specific AME that would give him a lantern test rather than the typical colored dots book. The GCAA accepted the pass on the lantern test. If you come armed with positive test results from the lantern test you would be fine.

Excellent, thanks a million

 

[Kalifornia]

They can roll in their graves all they want...this is the UAE, not the USA so nobody here cares if they spin themselves a web.

Thanks for posting the rules in Dubai they are actually factual and very informative. Don't most Christian religions teach the same values you highlighted above? I guess the laws that are based on the ten commandments in the USA...such as murdering, stealing, lying should be repealed.....After all, our founding fathers in the US were very religious as well.

I love this argument, we're going compare present day Dubai to historical America and justify their present actions because of our past before you and I were born.

While were on that logic....Wait, wait, here's a thought, name the most under the radar peaceful like country you can think of, at present time? Let's go with Mongolia. Oh wait, crap, back in the 1200s, the Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan conquered half the world. Damn you Mongolia, damn you!

And Iran invented wine in Shiraz, Iran back in 5000 BC. That must mean present day, they are just a joyful loving country!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I love this argument, we're going compare present day Dubai to historical America and justify their present actions because of our past before you and I were born.

While were on that logic....Wait, wait, here's a thought, name the most under the radar peaceful like country you can think of, at present time? Let's go with Mongolia. Oh wait, crap, back in the 1200s, the Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan conquered half the world. Damn you Mongolia, damn you!

And Iran invented wine in Shiraz, Iran back in 5000 BC. That must mean present day, they are just a joyful loving country!

I dont think anyone is trying to drag you to Dubai. Why are you so angry with the idea of American pilots leaving severely low paying regional jobs for something better? Sorry my friend, but people have the right to chose what ever they see fit for THEIR lives.

 

[Varmint]

I love this argument, we're going compare present day Dubai to historical America and justify their present actions because of our past before you and I were born.

While were on that logic....Wait, wait, here's a thought, name the most under the radar peaceful like country you can think of, at present time? Let's go with Mongolia. Oh wait, crap, back in the 1200s, the Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan conquered half the world. Damn you Mongolia, damn you!

And Iran invented wine in Shiraz, Iran back in 5000 BC. That must mean present day, they are just a joyful loving country!

If you consider the size of the old Mongol Empire as being half the world, your world is smaller than mine.