Emirates places order for 50 Boeing 777-300 ERs with options for 20 777-300 ERs

[Varmint]

And what exactly what makes Dubai the right way or an acceptable other way when modern day slavery is shuffled under the rug to build a desert playground?

Modern day slavery? If these "slaves" had stayed home they would be making far less money than they make in Dubai doing the same job....if they could even find a job at home. Here, manual labor is manual labor and it does not pay a lot. The same thing happens in China and is why you get stuff so cheap at wal-mart.....I don't hear you whining about that though.

Sure, there are problems with the system and crooked employers here who mistreat their employees....but....you find that in every country. Even the good ole' US of A. There is also a significant human traffic trade in the US as there is around the rest of the world.

Your original comment was against the Sharia world, not "slave" trading as you are citing.....the governments here run in a different way from the ones in the US. It doesn't make it wrong.....it just makes it different.

 

[Kalifornia]

Modern day slavery? If these "slaves" had stayed home they would be making far less money than they make in Dubai doing the same job....if they could even find a job at home. Here, manual labor is manual labor and it does not pay a lot. The same thing happens in China and is why you get stuff so cheap at wal-mart.....I don't hear you whining about that though.

Sure, there are problems with the system and crooked employers here who mistreat their employees....but....you find that in every country. Even the good ole' US of A. There is also a significant human traffic trade in the US as there is around the rest of the world.

Your original comment was against the Sharia world, not "slave" trading as you are citing.....the governments here run in a different way from the ones in the US. It doesn't make it wrong.....it just makes it different.

Here's what your argument sounds like substituting the Penn State scandal for Dubai.

Like Joe Paterno isn't bad....I mean.....cause like he wasn't actually Sandusky. I mean besides, that stuff happens all over the place. They just ran their program a different way.

Your original comment was against child molestation, not "covering" it up as your are citing...the university here run in different way from the ones in the other colleges. It doesn't make it wrong.....it just makes it different.

 

[Varmint]

Here's what your argument sounds like substituting the Penn State scandal for Dubai.

Like Joe Paterno isn't bad....I mean.....cause like he wasn't actually Sandusky. I mean besides, that stuff happens all over the place. They just ran their program a different way.

Your original comment was against child molestation, not "covering" it up as your are citing...the university here run in different way from the ones in the other colleges. It doesn't make it wrong.....it just makes it different.

Dubai....companies PAY people to come work here. They may not be the wages you would like them pay or the conditions you would like to see but what you want doesn't really matter. When the US was building its economy initially, they had slaves from Africa and indentured servants from Ireland and other locations in Europe....UNPAID. Hypocritical?

The article you linked to wrote about the nasty of Dubai but failed to write about the VERY NASTY of the countries that those people come here from to work. Ever been to Bangladesh or Eastern India to see for yourself, I have. The compounds these workers live in here are five star hotels compared to what they have to live in back home.

What have you done to fight the problem besides sit on here and make stupid points about something you think you know everything about just because you read 1 article....not to mention the stupid penn state correlation you tried to make.

 

[Kalifornia]

Dubai....companies PAY people to come work here. They may not be the wages you would like them pay or the conditions you would like to see but what you want doesn't really matter. When the US was building its economy initially, they had slaves from Africa and indentured servants from Ireland and other locations in Europe....UNPAID. Hypocritical?

The article you linked to wrote about the nasty of Dubai but failed to write about the VERY NASTY of the countries that those people come here from to work. Ever been to Bangladesh or Eastern India to see for yourself, I have. The compounds these workers live in here are five star hotels compared to what they have to live in back home.

What have you done to fight the problem besides sit on here and make stupid points about something you think you know everything about just because you read 1 article....not to mention the stupid penn state correlation you tried to make.

Well one things for sure, unlike Kuwait, you can still find alcohol in Dubai. You've made that crystal clear by attempting to justify Dubai society in relative terms to centuries ago America and other backward parts of the world.

Besides donating to carefully researched charities, here my contribution is to subdue the shiny jet syndrome excitement pilots get from rapid growth of an excess Middle Eastern kingdom that doesn't play by the same rules as the modern western world. I wouldn't want Nazi Germany 70 years ago to have rapid growth, but I'd be much happier at our present time to read Lufthansa obtaining 50 new 777s than Emirates.

 

[Varmint]

Well one things for sure, unlike Kuwait, you can still find alcohol in Dubai. You've made that crystal clear by attempting to justify Dubai society in relative terms to centuries ago America and other backward parts of the world.

Besides donating to carefully researched charities, here my contribution is to subdue the shiny jet syndrome excitement pilots get from rapid growth of an excess Middle Eastern kingdom that doesn't play by the same rules as the modern western world. I wouldn't want Nazi Germany 70 years ago to have rapid growth, but I'd be much happier at our present time to read Lufthansa obtaining 50 new 777s than Emirates.

I am not justifying anything. Just trying to explain things in simple terms to a religiously prejudiced and closed minded individual. Getting paid to do a job vs being a slave or indentured servant are two different things and apparently you don't understand the difference. We have never had slaves or indentured servants in Dubai as we have had in US history...that was my point. Apparently, it was too complex for you to understand

Keep enjoying that shiny E-145 luxury edition though....btw, how much did you get paid the first year you flew that thing? $17,000 per year? Shiny jet syndrome huh.....sounds like your definition of slavery.

 

[Flyer1015]

Varmint - 1
Kalifornia - 0

 

[Kalifornia]

I am not justifying anything. Just trying to explain things in simple terms to a religiously prejudiced and closed minded individual. Getting paid to do a job vs being a slave or indentured servant are two different things and apparently you don't understand the difference. We have never had slaves or indentured servants in Dubai as we have had in US history...that was my point. Apparently, it was too complex for you to understand

Keep enjoying that shiny E-145 luxury edition though....btw, how much did you get paid the first year you flew that thing? $17,000 per year? Shiny jet syndrome huh.....sounds like your definition of slavery.

Not in anyway saying that $17,000 per year is a good thing. It's been terrible and continues to be terrible the starting wages in this career. It also sucks that the majority of growth is the flavor of the year start up carrier or the race to the bottom carrier. Which unfortunately I see is part of the global career problem. Take a pilot fresh out of flight school, wants to get job quickest with quickest upgrade time to fly the flashiest jet. Here in the US, said pilot goes get a job at the Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines. Well now almost after immediately joining Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines, pilot wants to get out ASAP because well airport stand by sucks and we are an increasingly ADD society. Even worse, many of those pilots are completed jaded from the benefits of a union because of the bad experience at the Scumbag carrier which is usually composed of mostly other pilots including the ones on the MEC looking to get out ASAP. So along comes Super Growth Large Jet Airlines and no matter how bad their bases might be or poor in relative terms to historical legacy jet pay and work conditions, it seems like an exciting option compared to the poorly run regional carrier. So like the Top Gun pilots we all are, egos get the best of us, and many of us lack objective analysis to see well established, well paid carriers with reasonable union protections get some growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji8arr7l0U


Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7985361.stm


You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Not in anyway saying that $17,000 per year is a good thing. It's been terrible and continues to be terrible the starting wages in this career. It also sucks that the majority of growth is the flavor of the year start up carrier or the race to the bottom carrier. Which unfortunately I see is part of the global career problem. Take a pilot fresh out of flight school, wants to get job quickest with quickest upgrade time to fly the flashiest jet. Here in the US, said pilot goes get a job at the Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines. Well now almost after immediately joining Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines, pilot wants to get out ASAP because well airport stand by sucks and we are an increasingly ADD society. Even worse, many of those pilots are completed jaded from the benefits of a union because of the bad experience at the Scumbag carrier which is usually composed of mostly other pilots including the ones on the MEC looking to get out ASAP. So along comes Super Growth Large Jet Airlines and no matter how bad their bases might be or poor in relative terms to historical legacy jet pay and work conditions, it seems like an exciting option compared to the poorly run regional carrier. So like the Top Gun pilots we all are, egos get the best of us, and many of us lack objective analysis to see well established, well paid carriers with reasonable union protections get some growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji8arr7l0U


Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7985361.stm


You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

With all the problems we have in the US, it still continues to be one of the best places to live in the world. Even some European nations. This can be confirmed by simply speaking with immigrants. However, one should not judge another nation (UAE) until one has lived there. I'm sure they have their problems as do we, but to refer to expact pilots as slaves is just ignorant. BTW, outragous law-suits and violation of civil liberties happen here as well. Note the part about it being illegal to bad mouth the beef industry.

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-01-21/...-prices-mad-cow-disease-howard-lyman?_s=PM:US

 

[Varmint]

Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

No need to defend anything out of fear. I am sorry you are an ignorant bigot and can't see past your shiny little E145 based in a city that probably has a crime rate in 1 day of what this place has in 1 year.

Plan of action.....Respect the laws where you chose to live. In typical ignorance, as you have displayed in your other posts, you failed to find out the rest of the story about that couple on the beach. The couple was actually under the influence of alcohol, not fully clothed, and fooling around on the beach. Way more than kissing. They were asked by the police to stop, put their clothes back on, and leave. Instead of getting dressed and just leaving, they became belligerent and disrespectful to the officers so they were arrested. Would they have been arrested in the USA for indecent exposure or disorderly conduct. Probably.

You can hope all you want for growth at a "quality carrier" but the customer ultimately makes that decision. Apparently the customer's definition of quality is different from your definition.

 

[fareview]

Kali.....SJS argument...yawn

SJS????!!!....Moi?...Guilty!

Shiney chauffeur drive to work syndrome? .....guilty

Shiney silver spoon caviar over the Atlantic syndrome?...guilty

Shiney 4/5 star hotel syndrome?...guilty

Shiney hot crew eye candy?...guilty

Shiney 1st $100k tax free syndrome?...guilty

Shiney 5 bath villa gated community (3 pools/2 tennis courts..etc)?...guilty

Shiney 6 weeks vacay syndrome?...guilty

Shiney Four bars on the the shoulder after four years (777) syn?..guilty

Shiney cash envelope on o/night check-in?...guilty

Shiney carnival in Rio, St patricks Day in Dublin. Octoberfest in Munich, Melbourne Cup day in Melbourne, Olympics in beijing, World Cup semis in Cape Town (Now that was a good night out!), Xmas market in Vienna, Sushi in Osaka...yada, yada, yada ...syndrome?....Guilty.

Listen jnr...unless you have read the book...dont write the review.

But when it come to regionals a lot of us have been there and done that...a life that quite frankly - is jack shyiite....but hey you got the union.

No union here ...but since May 2008 I have had a 26% pay raise and and 29 weeks of bonus..granted my monthly total went from 78 to 90 hrs before overtime...but thats life i "the Great Recession"

Care to name a quality US union airline? and before you say UPS...my best bud is on furlough and pissed considering they make $5bn a year.

respectfully.

fv...
Not perfect here...but just sayin'