Emirates places order for 50 Boeing 777-300 ERs with options for 20 777-300 ERs

[Flyer1015]

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[Kalifornia]

I am not justifying anything. Just trying to explain things in simple terms to a religiously prejudiced and closed minded individual. Getting paid to do a job vs being a slave or indentured servant are two different things and apparently you don't understand the difference. We have never had slaves or indentured servants in Dubai as we have had in US history...that was my point. Apparently, it was too complex for you to understand

Keep enjoying that shiny E-145 luxury edition though....btw, how much did you get paid the first year you flew that thing? $17,000 per year? Shiny jet syndrome huh.....sounds like your definition of slavery.

Not in anyway saying that $17,000 per year is a good thing. It's been terrible and continues to be terrible the starting wages in this career. It also sucks that the majority of growth is the flavor of the year start up carrier or the race to the bottom carrier. Which unfortunately I see is part of the global career problem. Take a pilot fresh out of flight school, wants to get job quickest with quickest upgrade time to fly the flashiest jet. Here in the US, said pilot goes get a job at the Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines. Well now almost after immediately joining Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines, pilot wants to get out ASAP because well airport stand by sucks and we are an increasingly ADD society. Even worse, many of those pilots are completed jaded from the benefits of a union because of the bad experience at the Scumbag carrier which is usually composed of mostly other pilots including the ones on the MEC looking to get out ASAP. So along comes Super Growth Large Jet Airlines and no matter how bad their bases might be or poor in relative terms to historical legacy jet pay and work conditions, it seems like an exciting option compared to the poorly run regional carrier. So like the Top Gun pilots we all are, egos get the best of us, and many of us lack objective analysis to see well established, well paid carriers with reasonable union protections get some growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji8arr7l0U


Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7985361.stm


You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Not in anyway saying that $17,000 per year is a good thing. It's been terrible and continues to be terrible the starting wages in this career. It also sucks that the majority of growth is the flavor of the year start up carrier or the race to the bottom carrier. Which unfortunately I see is part of the global career problem. Take a pilot fresh out of flight school, wants to get job quickest with quickest upgrade time to fly the flashiest jet. Here in the US, said pilot goes get a job at the Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines. Well now almost after immediately joining Scumbag CEO Regional Airlines, pilot wants to get out ASAP because well airport stand by sucks and we are an increasingly ADD society. Even worse, many of those pilots are completed jaded from the benefits of a union because of the bad experience at the Scumbag carrier which is usually composed of mostly other pilots including the ones on the MEC looking to get out ASAP. So along comes Super Growth Large Jet Airlines and no matter how bad their bases might be or poor in relative terms to historical legacy jet pay and work conditions, it seems like an exciting option compared to the poorly run regional carrier. So like the Top Gun pilots we all are, egos get the best of us, and many of us lack objective analysis to see well established, well paid carriers with reasonable union protections get some growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji8arr7l0U


Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7985361.stm


You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

With all the problems we have in the US, it still continues to be one of the best places to live in the world. Even some European nations. This can be confirmed by simply speaking with immigrants. However, one should not judge another nation (UAE) until one has lived there. I'm sure they have their problems as do we, but to refer to expact pilots as slaves is just ignorant. BTW, outragous law-suits and violation of civil liberties happen here as well. Note the part about it being illegal to bad mouth the beef industry.

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-01-21/...-prices-mad-cow-disease-howard-lyman?_s=PM:US

 

[Varmint]

Sorry if you've been brain washed and even sorrier if you feel like you must defend out of fear.

You tell me what the plan of action is should a foreigner be arrested on the beach for God forbid kissing another person in that part of the world? Or exactly which union or aviation lawyer is a pilot going to turn to in the case of a fatigued contributed error? ASAP report? How about we hope for some positive growth at quality carriers with quality living bases...

No need to defend anything out of fear. I am sorry you are an ignorant bigot and can't see past your shiny little E145 based in a city that probably has a crime rate in 1 day of what this place has in 1 year.

Plan of action.....Respect the laws where you chose to live. In typical ignorance, as you have displayed in your other posts, you failed to find out the rest of the story about that couple on the beach. The couple was actually under the influence of alcohol, not fully clothed, and fooling around on the beach. Way more than kissing. They were asked by the police to stop, put their clothes back on, and leave. Instead of getting dressed and just leaving, they became belligerent and disrespectful to the officers so they were arrested. Would they have been arrested in the USA for indecent exposure or disorderly conduct. Probably.

You can hope all you want for growth at a "quality carrier" but the customer ultimately makes that decision. Apparently the customer's definition of quality is different from your definition.

 

[fareview]

Kali.....SJS argument...yawn

SJS????!!!....Moi?...Guilty!

Shiney chauffeur drive to work syndrome? .....guilty

Shiney silver spoon caviar over the Atlantic syndrome?...guilty

Shiney 4/5 star hotel syndrome?...guilty

Shiney hot crew eye candy?...guilty

Shiney 1st $100k tax free syndrome?...guilty

Shiney 5 bath villa gated community (3 pools/2 tennis courts..etc)?...guilty

Shiney 6 weeks vacay syndrome?...guilty

Shiney Four bars on the the shoulder after four years (777) syn?..guilty

Shiney cash envelope on o/night check-in?...guilty

Shiney carnival in Rio, St patricks Day in Dublin. Octoberfest in Munich, Melbourne Cup day in Melbourne, Olympics in beijing, World Cup semis in Cape Town (Now that was a good night out!), Xmas market in Vienna, Sushi in Osaka...yada, yada, yada ...syndrome?....Guilty.

Listen jnr...unless you have read the book...dont write the review.

But when it come to regionals a lot of us have been there and done that...a life that quite frankly - is jack shyiite....but hey you got the union.

No union here ...but since May 2008 I have had a 26% pay raise and and 29 weeks of bonus..granted my monthly total went from 78 to 90 hrs before overtime...but thats life i "the Great Recession"

Care to name a quality US union airline? and before you say UPS...my best bud is on furlough and pissed considering they make $5bn a year.

respectfully.

fv...
Not perfect here...but just sayin'

 

[Kalifornia]

Hey, the fun stuff sounds fun!/it's a great bubble to live in if you play by the bubble rules which in your case seems to work. I would say Southwest is a quality union carrier. Not having that protection is alright if you never have bad luck and you always play by the rules, but life issues happen and I've seen clean cut guys get accused of sexual harassment as one example: it be better for all pilots if the broad spectrum of pay, benefits, prestige, domiciles, protections, so forth were improved.........It be bad if the next generation gets imbedded in their minds that the race to the bottom is fine and dandy

 

[motojet]

Excellent post fairview,,, however you could have added:

- Free Uniform

- Free Luggage

- Free Dry Cleaning

- Interest Free Car Loan

- Yearly Villa/Apartment Restocking Allowance

- KFC and Burger King Have home delivery

It's certainly not perfect over here, but it ain't half bad either.

 

[SonicPig]

No need to defend anything out of fear. I am sorry you are an ignorant bigot and can't see past your shiny little E145 based in a city that probably has a crime rate in 1 day of what this place has in 1 year.

Plan of action.....Respect the laws where you chose to live. In typical ignorance, as you have displayed in your other posts, you failed to find out the rest of the story about that couple on the beach. The couple was actually under the influence of alcohol, not fully clothed, and fooling around on the beach. Way more than kissing. They were asked by the police to stop, put their clothes back on, and leave. Instead of getting dressed and just leaving, they became belligerent and disrespectful to the officers so they were arrested. Would they have been arrested in the USA for indecent exposure or disorderly conduct. Probably.

You can hope all you want for growth at a "quality carrier" but the customer ultimately makes that decision. Apparently the customer's definition of quality is different from your definition.

Why do you guys so emphatically defend a place that would fire you at the drop of a hat for a honest mistake? I don't get it. It's an OK job, but that's about it. Are saying you want to live out your days in the UAE? Really?

 

[Flyer1015]

Why do you guys so emphatically defend a place that would fire you at the drop of a hat for a honest mistake? I don't get it. It's an OK job, but that's about it. Are saying you want to live out your days in the UAE? Really?

How's JetBlue any different? And ALPA? Really? They'll get your job back IF you're lucky, but just look at what ALPA has done in the last decade or so.

Personally, I think a day off in the UAE could be the same as a day off in [insert major city in US]. It's what you make of it.

 

[HA25]

Why do you guys so emphatically defend a place that would fire you at the drop of a hat for a honest mistake?

what airline today wouldn't?

 

[Varmint]

Why do you guys so emphatically defend a place that would fire you at the drop of a hat for a honest mistake? I don't get it. It's an OK job, but that's about it. Are saying you want to live out your days in the UAE? Really?

Who said they wanted to live out their days in the UAE and where was that even implied anywhere?

Why would you defend an airline that fires a guy for being sloppy, blatantly disregarding SOP's, may or may not have almost killed people, and then re-hires them under union pressure knowing full well they have no business in the cockpit? Stupid things happen everywhere...firing a guy because of an honest mistake IS stupid and so is the above scenario.

 

[Kalifornia]

Who said they wanted to live out their days in the UAE and where was that even implied anywhere?

Why would you defend an airline that fires a guy for being sloppy, blatantly disregarding SOP's, may or may not have almost killed people, and then re-hires them under union pressure knowing full well they have no business in the cockpit? Stupid things happen everywhere...firing a guy because of an honest mistake IS stupid and so is the above scenario.

That's part of the union, play the lawyer part including the bad apples. It's not a perfect system, and the reality is the company and the arbitrator hold the final power. It is amazing just how ballsy some pilots are indeed and how far they'll push their luck. But for the 95% that are trying to play by the rules and be a good CRM copilot, union protection is golden and takes a certain amount of stress out of the job.

 

[crxpilot]

I would take a dump on the middle east if I could..........

 

[fareview]

CRX

Spoken like a true professional. You are a credit to the community, your parents and your country.

Bravo

fv

 

[Flyer1015]

Meanwhile, in the USA, American declares bankruptcy. CEO bails out the night before bankruptcy with his golden parachute. Pilots will have their pension terminated. Their CBA could be tossed like garbage by a BK judge, but most likely, they will have many concessions and pay cuts shoved down their throats. Scope will be eroded further to outsource 70-90 seaters to regionals other than Eagle. Management will award (bonus) to their executive management, and then they will emerge out of bankruptcy as a "new, lower cost" airline.

Seriously........ THAT is the reality of airlines in the US today. The last place anyone should rip on is Emirates. The pay/compensation package is good, the checks clear, and they've always made money. Who's more likely to be around for the next 50 years. American, Delta, United, US Air, or Emirates, Qatar, Etihad? I'd put my money on a Middle Eastern airline any day.


The airline pilot profession in the United States is dead.