Emirates places order for 50 Boeing 777-300 ERs with options for 20 777-300 ERs

[Kalifornia]

You do realize a first year EK pilot outearns every single major FO in America, right? When you look at the tax-free package and housing + benefits included. It isn't shiny jet syndrome. It's $$$$ and the fact that many people are finally just fed up with the aviation landscape here in the US. Your post history proves you don't get out much. I have a hard time believing you've been anywhere outside the USA, save for Canada or Mexico for spring break.

Well gee whiz, there's nothing getting by you junior detective. Your powers surely could be used for the force of good. You got my entire bio covered right there. I couldn't tell you the Great Wall from the Berlin Wall....I think one's in Ukraine which is in South America or something like that??? Them Southwest pilots couldn't either, Texas cowboys. Dang it gall darn it all, punk dumb 737 pilots. Canada, I thought that spoke English over there like we're suppose to in 'America, but then WTF, I go to Quebec and they are all talking like a French waiter.?. Then someones like, dude, you don't need a passport to go to Puerto Rico, and I go there and they're like speaking Mexican, WTF over??

 

[Flyer1015]

In regards to the airline pilot profession, absolutely - Tempered enthusiasm leads to sounder judgement. It also helps to create a real pilot shortage versus promoting this career as still the best part time job you can have or other kick yourself mindsets. The funny thing is Emirates could pay out more to the pilots and even offer out of Middle East basing and safety nets but regional Joe from Nickelback Airlines is already kicking back in the recliner at the compound because it is way better than the race to the bottom regional carrier they left::They burn the bridge to a better deal by over promoting the one at hand

Huh?! ANY RJ pilot, be it a FO or a Captain, will get a huge pay increase by going to EK. YOUR argument works against you, because what you are saying applies to EVERY single RJ pilot in the US. All of them take a paycut to go to ANY major/legacy airline as first year FO. Highest pay being $56 at Delta. Aren't these pilots kicking back at the recliner in their crashpad because it is way better tahn the race to the bottom regional carrier they just left? Look at yourselves in the mirror before talking crap like that. A move to EK for any regional pilot, FO or CA, entails a significant pay increase, and certainly no race to the bottom. You wanna talk race to the bottom? Talk about those Continental first year 737 and 757/767 pilots getting 29.97/hr for first year with NO medical benefits for 6 months! That's the real race to the bottom.

It's an insult to compare FO pay at any legacy carrier here to EK. The EK package is far superior. Why should any 50 seater pilot, CA or FO, have to take a paycut to fly at a legacy carrier? That race to the bottom has already happened. Blame 9/11, greedy + incompetent management, economic recession, a pus$y ALPA union, and whatever else you like to help you sleep at night.

 

[Kalifornia]

Huh?! ANY RJ pilot, be it a FO or a Captain, will get a huge pay increase by going to EK. YOUR argument works against you, because what you are saying applies to EVERY single RJ pilot in the US. All of them take a paycut to go to ANY major/legacy airline as first year FO. Highest pay being $56 at Delta. Aren't these pilots kicking back at the recliner in their crashpad because it is way better tahn the race to the bottom regional carrier they just left? Look at yourselves in the mirror before talking crap like that. A move to EK for any regional pilot, FO or CA, entails a significant pay increase, and certainly no race to the bottom. You wanna talk race to the bottom? Talk about those Continental first year 737 and 757/767 pilots getting 29.97/hr for first year with NO medical benefits for 6 months! That's the real race to the bottom.

It's an insult to compare FO pay at any legacy carrier here to EK. The EK package is far superior. Why should any 50 seater pilot, CA or FO, have to take a paycut to fly at a legacy carrier? That race to the bottom has already happened. Blame 9/11, greedy + incompetent management, economic recession, a pus$y ALPA union, and whatever else you like to help you sleep at night.

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

But I do you credit, you are right, the pay and benefits at the US carriers has been bad, real bad and yes, mostly for the results listed. Think they should improve across the board, but again if a foreign carrier is rolling in dough growing with massive jets from their oil money, they certainly can afford to offer an even better package to make that sacrifice. I wouldn't over promote it to justify them offering less because it's so much better than the current US situation........... Don't sell yourself short. Air Canada $240 an hour 12 year Captain 777 and you can live in Toronto {not as warm as Dubai, brrrrr} and have union protection. Or UPS, or Fedex, or Southwest or Gulfstream Aviation. Ok, I made that last one up

I still find it funny that someone thinks they have every one figured out based on what is or isn't in a profile. Not to going lay out my life story, that's not even on Facebook. Like I have never left the North America continent and have no clue there's a nightly knock off market just off Nathan Street in Hong Kong, Kowloon I believe and the old airport was a crazy approach. Or that Tanzania requires a Yellow Fever Immunization for entry. Or that you'd be nuts to rent a car and drive within the city of Rome, Italy.

 

[Varmint]

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

What would happen to US oil supplies and the US economy if the M.E. destabilized and the US was not able to purchase oil anymore from the region?

The USA playing middle-east cop is for self-serving economic needs not because the government is all warm and fuzzy on helping people.

 

[Flyer1015]

Whoa, sorry to get you emotional all about it. Funny, how that works, the USA plays world cop and spend trillions in military to try and stabilze it and the Middle East Kingdoms thank us by making certain places their oil money playgrounds. Freedoms such as unions be damned.

But I do you credit, you are right, the pay and benefits at the US carriers has been bad, real bad and yes, mostly for the results listed. Think they should improve across the board, but again if a foreign carrier is rolling in dough growing with massive jets from their oil money, they certainly can afford to offer an even better package to make that sacrifice. I wouldn't over promote it to justify them offering less because it's so much better than the current US situation........... Don't sell yourself short. Air Canada $240 an hour 12 year Captain 777 and you can live in Toronto {not as warm as Dubai, brrrrr} and have union protection. Or UPS, or Fedex, or Southwest or Gulfstream Aviation. Ok, I made that last one up

I still find it funny that someone thinks they have every one figured out based on what is or isn't in a profile. Not to going lay out my life story, that's not even on Facebook. Like I have never left the North America continent and have no clue there's a nightly knock off market just off Nathan Street in Hong Kong, Kowloon I believe and the old airport was a crazy approach. Or that Tanzania requires a Yellow Fever Immunization for entry. Or that you'd be nuts to rent a car and drive within the city of Rome, Italy.

You sound experienced from travel overseas, and been in this industry a while. But if that's the case, then you cannot just throw out a wage ($240/hr) for a 777 Captain at Air Canada, and say that is good pay! First of all, Canadian taxes are even worse than American taxes. General Sales Tax and Provincial Sales Tax, GST and PST. Depending on where you are, it amounts to nearly 15% sales tax on goods you buy. Not to mention, they have a national health care system, and everyone pays into it. Property taxes, school taxes, etc etc. It ALL adds up big time. The point being that UAE salaries are not taxed, and what you make, you get to keep. So if one makes $140k USD in Dubai, it's an "equivalent" of making at least $200,000 here in the US. Taxes are a big part of that equation, and Canadian taxes are even worse. So, you can't really compare a 12th year 777 Captain at Air Canada and say he makes "more" than a 12th year 777 Captain at Emirates. You have to look at the overall package, not just the hourly rate. Sure, your hourly rate may be lower, but it is so because your house is included free.

 

[Flyer1015]

What would happen to US oil supplies and the US economy if the M.E. destabilized and the US was not able to purchase oil anymore from the region?

The USA playing middle-east cop is for self-serving economic needs not because the government is all warm and fuzzy on helping people.

True!

 

[Green]

I bet a first year EK FO who took the housing allowance option last year ended up with nearly as much in his pocket as a 12 year Air Canada 777 CA after taxes. Add up the basic, provident, flight pay, per diem, housing allowance, school allowances, profit share(18k last year) and then calculate the tax implications. You will get a big number. But Dubai is expensive!

You sound experienced from travel overseas, and been in this industry a while. But if that's the case, then you cannot just throw out a wage ($240/hr) for a 777 Captain at Air Canada, and say that is good pay! First of all, Canadian taxes are even worse than American taxes. General Sales Tax and Provincial Sales Tax, GST and PST. Depending on where you are, it amounts to nearly 15% sales tax on goods you buy. Not to mention, they have a national health care system, and everyone pays into it. Property taxes, school taxes, etc etc. It ALL adds up big time. The point being that UAE salaries are not taxed, and what you make, you get to keep. So if one makes $140k USD in Dubai, it's an "equivalent" of making at least $200,000 here in the US. Taxes are a big part of that equation, and Canadian taxes are even worse. So, you can't really compare a 12th year 777 Captain at Air Canada and say he makes "more" than a 12th year 777 Captain at Emirates. You have to look at the overall package, not just the hourly rate. Sure, your hourly rate may be lower, but it is so because your house is included free.

 

[johnsonrod]

Meanwhile, in the USA, American declares bankruptcy. CEO bails out the night before bankruptcy with his golden parachute. Pilots will have their pension terminated. Their CBA could be tossed like garbage by a BK judge, but most likely, they will have many concessions and pay cuts shoved down their throats. Scope will be eroded further to outsource 70-90 seaters to regionals other than Eagle. Management will award (bonus) to their executive management, and then they will emerge out of bankruptcy as a "new, lower cost" airline.

Seriously........ THAT is the reality of airlines in the US today. The last place anyone should rip on is Emirates. The pay/compensation package is good, the checks clear, and they've always made money. Who's more likely to be around for the next 50 years. American, Delta, United, US Air, or Emirates, Qatar, Etihad? I'd put my money on a Middle Eastern airline any day.


The airline pilot profession in the United States is dead.

I have friends at Delta, Fedex and Southwest who are quite happy and they are making pretty good money (especially the Fedex pilots). Not sure the situation is as dire as you portray it.

 

[Freight Dog]

I have friends at Delta, Fedex and Southwest who are quite happy and they are making pretty good money (especially the Fedex pilots). Not sure the situation is as dire as you portray it.

Those pilot groups represent what percentage of the total US airline population?

 

[pookie]

I have a friend who is head of Facebook and he is doing really well also. Recession, what recession?