Embarrased DUI Question

[crjpos]

To all, in an anonymous forum,

Here is the scoop;

I have over 12000 hrs total time, 19 years in the airlines, and an excellent work history!!!

I was furloughed from a 14 year career at a major airline 1 1/2 yrs ago and I have a delicate question.

I have apps out to several airlines and and hoping anyone with real experience and hard info could help with the following questions

My dui is 19 yearls old but it still does exist.

1) Does anyone know if a dui is an automatic disqualifyer (really, not legally) at the following airlines

USA 3000
Jet Blue
Fed Ex
UPS
Cathay Pacific

Any info (anonymously ofcourse) would help me a great deal. I have mucho qualifications and an excellent work history - just this thorn in my A## from years ago.

Looking for anyone who has had a dui and gotten hired at these or any other carrier and their experience and how they handled it.

THANK YOU FOR YOU HELP IN THIS MATTER

Frettfully

CRJPOS

 

[Snakum]

This doesn't help your problem at all, but I found it a humorous (and appropriate) anecdote from a Krusty Old Piedmont/US Air Kaptain ...

(with a severe Southern drawl) "Back in the 70's you couldn't git on with Piedmont unless you had at least one DWI and had f@cked up at least one airplane."

Just reminded me ... that's all.

Minh

 

[SF3CA]

IMHO I don't see why any airline would have a problem with that. Geez, it was almost 20 years ago. We all have done stupid things. Just be honest about it. As far as Fedex goes, the DUI is not going to be the problem. We have hired guys with a DUI's. Your problem is that your furloughed. Unless your furlough is from USAIR, the chances of getting an interview is slim to none (unless you know Fred, Jack, or Bruce personally!)

good luck

 

[crjpos]

Thanx

Thanx for you input - I would have thoufht FEd Ex would have been a gonner for my carrer.
I would still appreciate any other hard information on other airlines if anyone has any.

Thank god for anonymity.

I am currently flying a crj ------piece of *%@#


thanx

 

[j41driver]

I am currently flying a crj ------piece of *%@#

Oh poor you. At least you have a flying job to keep you current until you get on somewhere else. Quit your whining.

 

[AV80R]

Have no info regarding the airlines you are interested in, however I used to help with recruiting at a regional airline I worked at in the past. We interviewed several pilots with your dilemma - some got hired, some did not.

I think in general, if more than 10 years had past since the dui/dwi conviction and there were no other blemishes on their records– they were ok. I also remember this one individual who got a dui some 8 years ago. He actually brought a letter from the same judge who sentenced him during the initial dui proceeding.
It was basically a nice recommendation letter stating “the guy made a mistake in the past but has since matured and learned from his mistakes, etc.” The letter also mentioned that the individual had received treatment and counseling after the conviction, and now volunteered his off-time to counsel others. We verified the authenticity of the letter - the guy was hired. Maybe something similar could work for you too? …just a thought. Good luck with your aspirations.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"I am currently flying a crj ------piece of *%@#"

Wow, it's a good thing you aren't flying a Saab or some turboprop "piece of $h**". Then I'd really feel sorry for ya. I can guarantee if you go into an interview with that attitude, you won't have to worry about your DUI.

 

[aroundtheblock]

Good thing you aren't applying for President of the US. How long ago was Bush's DUI when the Democrats released it right before last election. Just pray the interviewer is not a Kerry supporter.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

At JetBlue, it would problably not make a difference as long as your record has been clean since then. Apply on line and be honest at the interview. In a strange way, it could help. If you admit your mistake, it shows you are human and not afraid to take responsibility for a screw up. The JB interviewers would rather have some body who is human than some one who is Mr. Perfect. Best of Luck.

 

[macfly]

As far as I know, airlines only have access to your MVR, which would not show a 19 year old DUI. MVRs only go back 4 years, I believe. So, in reality you could simply omit that information. But please, double check.

 

[Snakum]

A big HUGE negative. When your Federal file is pulled they will be able to see every arrest and subsequent disposition for everything you've ever done, even if it happened when you were a minor (I know ... I know ... it was expunged when you turned 18). Everything is on there ... and airlines will pull it. Period.

Minh

 

[AV80R]

Snakum is 100% correct. I recall an individual pulled out of his new hire class at my previous airline when his background check finally got to us - it showed a dui on his record. The sad thing is that he would have been just fine had he told us the truth, I am pretty sure the dui happened 10+ years prior to his application. Now he has a dui AND a termination on his record. Nice guy but they, mgmt, wouldn’t budge.



Macfly - I think the MVR’s only show speeding tickets, traffic violation, etc. Different states have different rules on how long they keep the records; anywhere from 3 to 10 years. The federal MVR (some airlines will search the Federal AND your State’s MVR) is for 4 years. Most airlines care about the federal only.

 

[FN FAL]

A big HUGE negative. When your Federal file is pulled they will be able to see every arrest and subsequent disposition for everything you've ever done, even if it happened when you were a minor (I know ... I know ... it was expunged when you turned 18). Everything is on there ... and airlines will pull it. Period.

Minh

Your federal file? You talkin bout that one at Langley, where they keeps them black helicopters and people that work on contract and off the reservation?

 

[crjpos]

Thanks to all

I appreciate all your help in this matter. Sorry if I offended anyone with my crj #@* comment. It was not a whine as much as an acknowledment of steps backwards.

Sorry for the sensative at heart - unless ofcourse - you need to GET A LIFE.



crj #@*
oops
crjpos

 

[FN FAL]

Good luck Crjpos, you'll never know unless you apply. I wouldn't want to work for a company that would hold a DUI that old against you...so whatever. If you don't put the apps in, you won't find out what will or won't pass muster. Give it all you got, you got nothing to lose and only everything to gain.

 

[Snakum]

You talkin bout that one at Langley

Not quite, though you and I might actually have one there, and not for a good reason either .

The "federal" report is generally refered to as "the FBI report" and will have everything on it you did wrong since you were pooping your pampers. If you have a friend in any local police department you can get it pulled, and you can get it pulled if you request a concealed handgun permit in NC. This is the same one that airlines get, in addition to your state criminal history (the one available at your local courthouse or over the net) and DMV records.

Minh

 

[FN FAL]

Thanks!

 

[lrn2fly]

Why could we not get one on request? Don't we have a right to see what's on it? I would think that any document that can be obtained by a potential employer should be available for an accuracy check of the named party.

 

[FN FAL]

Why could we not get one on request? Don't we have a right to see what's on it? I would think that any document that can be obtained by a potential employer should be available for an accuracy check of the named party.

it's called the "Freedom of Information Act". They have to give you a copy of what they got on you.

 

[j41driver]

In response to CRJPOS saying that he's flying a "CRJ------piece of *%@#" I said:

Oh poor you. At least you have a flying job to keep you current until you get on somewhere else. Quit your whining.

Now maybe that was a bit harsh but it seems to me that with all of the companies that he's asking about (in his original post) he feels that he's too good to fly a CRJ. I bet there are a ton of furloughed guys that would jump at the chance to keep flying even if it was just in a "CRJ------piece of *%@#"

Apparently he didn't like what I had to say since he sent me the following PM, titled "No wonder you don't have a job" (not sure where he got that...I never said I didn't have a job):

Dear j41driver,

You generosity and information overwhelm me. Thank you so much for your response to my posting.

I't no wonder that you have such fruitful employment and are such a huge success.

No, but really, Quit bitchin at everyone else and get off your stupid ass and do what you need to do if you don't like your life. YUou are in control of your destiny unless of course you're just that stupid.

You are truly an impediment to the success of this informatinoal networking site.

GO HOME YOU IGNORANT **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**



For a few minutes I didn't even know what the heck he was talking about. Like I said before, what I said was a bit harsh but did I really deserve this response??

 

[NWA]

Dui

I have a buddy that got a DUI 10 months ago and just got hired at a bigger regional. I wouldn't be to concerned.

 

[nitrogen]

You get what you pay for

I'm sure it was very helpful to receive all this wonderful advice about MVR's and FBI files.

I am always amazed at how willing some people are to give you such valuable information even though they have no idea what theyre talking about. Hey, my buddy heard it from some guy who knows somebody so it must be true right?

First of all, whats an MVR?? I think its something that someone here just made up because they don't have any idea what theyre talking about. Now an MVR could just be a Motor Vehicle Record. If thats the case then that record is whatever information that the state has where youre licensed. Each of those differs from state to state. Some states maintain records as far back as 10 years or more. Some are as few as 3 years.

THERE IS NO NATIONAL MVR. Whoever came up with that one is just making sh*t up. The national record that the airlines access is called the NDR. National Drivers Registry. By law after they passed the Pilots Information Act all airlines must run a check on the NDR before they can hire you. Also by law this record is available to them for the past 5 years. 5 years. Not 4. The record itself never expires. It has any serious violations that you've had since you were driving. It does not contain speeding tickets. It only contains things like DUI and reckless driving, suspended license, etc. Only serious infractions. While the timeframe that the record keeps is endless the airline may only access the previous 5 years. If you request a copy for yourself it will be issued for the entire timeframe of any entry dating back to when you started driving. Many people have no entries on this record. Thats because most people don't have a violation serious enough to be on there. A DUI would be there.

Airlines do not and cannot pull FBI files. However there is another national registry they can access to see if youve ever been convicted of a felony. Most DUI's are not felonies. Unless you hurt someone in a DUI related accident that should not be a problem.

Order a copy of your NDR. Just to review it. It really doesn't matter because the violation is over 5 years old but its good information to have.

 

[FN FAL]

However there is another national registry they can access to see if youve ever been convicted of a felony.

Uhhhh...would that be the NCIC?

 

[FatesPawn]

In response to CRJPOS saying that he's flying a "CRJ------piece of *%@#" I said:
Like I said before, what I said was a bit harsh but did I really deserve this response??

J41,

I was going to tell you guys to take it outside.... but it appeared that CRJPOS already tried and you had to drag it back in the school house.

Remember. Sticks and stones.

Now, go back outside and play nice.

Fate

 

[radiofly er]

Most Airlines Look At The Fact That You Were Arrested But No Conviction. There Are Ways To Dispute A Dui And If You Went To The Trouble The Airlines Will See That As A Positive . Arrested But No Conviction Is A Definite Plus. In Your Case You Were Found Guilty, But With A Good Record Since I Don't See Why An Airline Woul Not Look At You. We All Make Mistakes But We Must Correct Them.

 

[Ty Webb]

Another issue is that after a certain year, any DUI conviction has to be noted on your medical application. I think yours was probably previous to the date that thing started, though.

I think that a nearly 20 year old DUI falls under the "tell us about a time when" category. Pretty simple. You made a mistake, took responsibility for it, and have had 19 years to prove that it was a one-shot deal and that you learned form it and moved on. As someone else said, it's almost a positive . . . . . .

Good luck.

 

[vetteracer]

Nitrogen is correct.

The NDR contains serious driving arrests. DUI, DWI, Wreckless, careless etc. Some laws are City ordinances that will not show up. In the city were I live, Exhibition driving is almost the same as wreckless, but it is a city ordinance, a 25$ fine. So it will not be on an NDR report.

Your local RAP sheet is kept at the local police, sheriff, and highway patrol dept. were you live or have lived. This information is not made public to anyone. I have a pistol permit and renew it every 4 years. They check my rap sheet and a flag always comes up were I have to meet with a detective. They have every time and every incident were your name was even mentioned in any criminal case, misdemeanor, etc. In my case I called in a domestic abuse situation. I was being the good neighbor and calling cops on a wife beater. BUT, my RAP sheet says, " date, time, involved in domestic abuse investigation".

I asked the officer why this was on there and he told me they keep everything. I told him the situation and he said this is routine and just wanted to clarify. I asked why he did not inquire more on the case to see that I was just the guy who reported the incident. He told me that it is easier and quicker to just ask me about it then spend months getting old reports out of a warehouse.

I asked if any employer were to see this they might draw the wrong conclusion. He said that this report is not available to anyone. I asked about the FBI. He said they have access to it, if they need it, they do not store it in a WOPR in Washington. He said they have only felonies and federal crimes on individuals at large and on known criminals, past, and present they collect archives.

What will an airline get, or any employer for that matter?

-NDR report, showing all driving related felonies and class 1 driving misdemeanors.

-State DMV record, in the case of SD, that is for 3 years back and that is it.

-Federal File – Which will contain all felonies, if any, time spent in federal prison, etc.

-FAA accident-incident record.

-College transcripts – at your concent

-High School transcripts – at your concent

 

[radiofly er]

Remember one important factor that can land you a DWI.... BAD LUCK, most airlines know this. Most pilots on this forum have driven while intoxicated at some point of their lives, just that some have gotten caught. Keep fighting for that job, i'm sure there have been many pilots hired under your same scenerio.