freighthumper said:As far as the 2 planes down this year, one of them ran out of fuel Air Now MX has nothing to do with how much fuel the pilot takes. who knows about the second one. Not to speculate but what is the first thing you were taught about engine failures.....dont turn around. Good thing it worked out in this case although I think some one used eight of his nine lives in that one.I am new to this thread, and i just quickly read the NTSB reports... I am unclear on the ran outta fuel comment...