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Eclipse crash on takeoff

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Just to put some performance numbers out there, for an Eclipse 500 E.T.T. aircraft (post sn 38). At 33 degrees Celsius 1000 ft p.a. landing distance at 4500 lbs = 3094 feet uncorrected for wind or slope. I do not know if he used rwy 9 or 27, but the available landing distance rwy 27 is 3097 with a 1 percent downslope. This airplane does not like to stop. NO TR's, or antiskid, and tires that have a habit of popping when you don't baby them. The beginning of that error chain may have started with the decision to go into that airport.
 
If you only knew the half of it...

clue me in. whats with it. have you flown it. how does it compare to the other VLJs?

I wonder how this new air taxi thing is gonna work out. Especially in light of the fuel situation.
 
Did I miss something with that video? Looks like 17L at KAPA which is 10,000 feet and someone getting instruction in a Adam 700. I saw nothing dangerous in that video.

yup, I think you missed the gist of it.
 
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clue me in.

No anti skid. No TRs or TAs. No spoilers. The MTOW went from 4500 lbs to 6000 lbs with no braking system changes. On top of that, they blow tires like Ford Explorers. Being certified under part 23, there are no runway contaminant charts. There's no moving map in this revolutionary airplane; nowhere to enter a flight plan. There are two GPSs on board, but the pilots have no way to interface with them. The airplane is /W. That's right. No RNAV. It's VOR to VOR navigation, or just ask for vectors and use the Garmin 496 that comes with the airplane 'cause it's easier. There's no TCAS. No TAS. No TIS. There's no TAWS. There's a radar in the nose, but it's not plugged in. The windshield heat? Also not plugged in. The boots take about 60 seconds to suck back down, so it's not approved for known ice. Its 'circuit breaker' is collared anyways. The autopilot can hold a heading, hold a pitch, and capture an altitude. No coupled approaches - it can't even track a course. Autothrottle permanently inop. There's a fancy keyboard, but with the lack of a FMS or a usable GPS, it's mostly inop too. Uncommanded trim is a normal occurance. Random fuel gauging issues on all of the ones I've flown. CAS messages come and go with no rhyme or reason. The computer is in control of everything you do - there are two hard circuit breakers on the airplane, everything else is software. There are all sorts of cool ideas incorporated into the design but no software to make any of it work. FADECs misbehave. Parts fall off. Lost all electrical power? No way to shut down the engines. Can't change power or even shut off the fuel. The type certificate was issued WAAAAY prematurely and the guys operating them now are test pilots. Thank baby jesus it's not fly by wire or people would be dead already.

On the plus side, it's got a pretty sporty roll rate.
 
No anti skid. No TRs or TAs. No spoilers. The MTOW went from 4500 lbs to 6000 lbs with no braking system changes. On top of that, they blow tires like Ford Explorers. Being certified under part 23, there are no runway contaminant charts. There's no moving map in this revolutionary airplane; nowhere to enter a flight plan. There are two GPSs on board, but the pilots have no way to interface with them. The airplane is /W. That's right. No RNAV. It's VOR to VOR navigation, or just ask for vectors and use the Garmin 496 that comes with the airplane 'cause it's easier. There's no TCAS. No TAS. No TIS. There's no TAWS. There's a radar in the nose, but it's not plugged in. The windshield heat? Also not plugged in. The boots take about 60 seconds to suck back down, so it's not approved for known ice. Its 'circuit breaker' is collared anyways. The autopilot can hold a heading, hold a pitch, and capture an altitude. No coupled approaches - it can't even track a course. Autothrottle permanently inop. There's a fancy keyboard, but with the lack of a FMS or a usable GPS, it's mostly inop too. Uncommanded trim is a normal occurance. Random fuel gauging issues on all of the ones I've flown. CAS messages come and go with no rhyme or reason. The computer is in control of everything you do - there are two hard circuit breakers on the airplane, everything else is software. There are all sorts of cool ideas incorporated into the design but no software to make any of it work. FADECs misbehave. Parts fall off. Lost all electrical power? No way to shut down the engines. Can't change power or even shut off the fuel. The type certificate was issued WAAAAY prematurely and the guys operating them now are test pilots. Thank baby jesus it's not fly by wire or people would be dead already.

On the plus side, it's got a pretty sporty roll rate.

Man, if thats all true, thats some funny sh1t. What a pile of junk.
 
No anti skid. No TRs or TAs. No spoilers. The MTOW went from 4500 lbs to 6000 lbs with no braking system changes. On top of that, they blow tires like Ford Explorers. Being certified under part 23, there are no runway contaminant charts. There's no moving map in this revolutionary airplane; nowhere to enter a flight plan. There are two GPSs on board, but the pilots have no way to interface with them. The airplane is /W. That's right. No RNAV. It's VOR to VOR navigation, or just ask for vectors and use the Garmin 496 that comes with the airplane 'cause it's easier. There's no TCAS. No TAS. No TIS. There's no TAWS. There's a radar in the nose, but it's not plugged in. The windshield heat? Also not plugged in. The boots take about 60 seconds to suck back down, so it's not approved for known ice. Its 'circuit breaker' is collared anyways. The autopilot can hold a heading, hold a pitch, and capture an altitude. No coupled approaches - it can't even track a course. Autothrottle permanently inop. There's a fancy keyboard, but with the lack of a FMS or a usable GPS, it's mostly inop too. Uncommanded trim is a normal occurance. Random fuel gauging issues on all of the ones I've flown. CAS messages come and go with no rhyme or reason. The computer is in control of everything you do - there are two hard circuit breakers on the airplane, everything else is software. There are all sorts of cool ideas incorporated into the design but no software to make any of it work. FADECs misbehave. Parts fall off. Lost all electrical power? No way to shut down the engines. Can't change power or even shut off the fuel. The type certificate was issued WAAAAY prematurely and the guys operating them now are test pilots. Thank baby jesus it's not fly by wire or people would be dead already.

On the plus side, it's got a pretty sporty roll rate.

sounds like a sweet ride....:rolleyes:
 
Did I miss something with that video? Looks like 17L at KAPA which is 10,000 feet and someone getting instruction in a Adam 700. I saw nothing dangerous in that video.

as I watched that video again........you really saw nothing dangerous? diving a jet over the numbers....way high, skipping down the runway, off the centerline on an easy VFR day to a SAC-sized runway. Throw in any sort of problems (or wx) & you'll be reading about a guy like that in tomorrow's paper.
 

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