Eclipse crash on takeoff

[SNAFU22]

As long as humans are in the loop, we will have crashes.

But two pilots is always better than one, even when both pilots are substandard pilots.

Single pilot jets operate in the same airspace and at the same airports that two-crew airplanes operate in, having one pilot, after 50 years of having two pilots in turbine powered planes, as far as I'm concerned, is not the smartest and safest environment.

Thats all I'm saying.

I agree two pilots up front, inherently is safer than single pilot ops. I think any company flight department running single pilot is taking a gamble. If thier pilot has a heart attack, then what? Yes, I've flown CE525's single pilot, only to bring the bird to maintenance. All company flying is done with 2 pilot crew.

Anybody for the most part can fly todays aircraft, monkeys have been trained to fly. I personally think there's a differece between Joe pilots and professional pilots. I know joe pilot's who can fly turbine aircraft, all they want to do is fly the airplane, never look at performance #'s.

Having and adhearing to SOP's has proven to reduce incidents and accidents. Joe bag o' doughnuts flying his VLJ most likely isn't flying within sop's. Company flown aircraft with two pilot crew, probably have some sort of manual in place.

Pilots don't find new ways to screw things up, for the most part most accidents/incidents are the same stupid mistakes. Yes, to error is human, and yet we are the flexible link as well. Regardless, there will be and always be single and two pilot crews who run off the runway

 

[jet2work]

If lawyers continue to injure themselves crashing in eclipses, it could be bonanza for doctors.

 

[Raskal]

If lawyers continue to injure themselves crashing in eclipses, it could be bonanza for doctors.

Oooo, well done! Gotta say it though, does anyone else find it ironic that Eclipse's new single engine jet has a V-tail? That just seems to be a new bonanza for jokes about forked-tail doctor killers...

 

[deadstick]

This is what happens when you sign a student to solo his new toy.

Are you kidding? Lawyers are going to love this plane! They're going to get a lot of business.

 

[LJ45]

NTSB Identification: CHI08IA200
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Incident occurred Thursday, July 17, 2008 in Rockford, IL
Aircraft: Eclipse Aviation Corporation EA500, registration: N875NA
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On July 17, 2008, at 1655 central daylight time, an Eclipse Aviation Corporation EA500, N875NA, sustained minor damage during an in-flight separation of the aft, lower, left hand side, wing to body fairing, during cruise flight near Rockford, Illinois. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The 14 CFR Part 91 flight was operating on an instrument flight rules flight plan. Neither of the two pilots, the only occupants, were injured. The flight last departed from Pinedale, Wyoming, and was en route to Chicago Executive Airport, Chicago/Prospect Heights/Wheeling, Illinois, where it landed without further incident.

 

[DOVPILOT]

I knew a doctor based there and he may have bought it after trading in his Bonaza!!!

 

[Way2Broke]

I had to see the doctor after after visiting a place called Bonanza's in Mexico. He prescribed something that made the brightest day seem like there was a eclipse.

Seriously though, I am glad no one was hurt.

 

[CaptSeth]

This is why I belong to flightinfo.

 

[ditchpilot]

No anti skid brakes
No TR's
No speed brakes
Airspeed control is critical on final or it floats forever

 

[SansPlane]

Two to one odds that this thread goes to four pages before saturday, and the words "doctor" and "bonanza" will be used in the same sentence.

2 out of 3

 

[transampilot]

Just to put some performance numbers out there, for an Eclipse 500 E.T.T. aircraft (post sn 38). At 33 degrees Celsius 1000 ft p.a. landing distance at 4500 lbs = 3094 feet uncorrected for wind or slope. I do not know if he used rwy 9 or 27, but the available landing distance rwy 27 is 3097 with a 1 percent downslope. This airplane does not like to stop. NO TR's, or antiskid, and tires that have a habit of popping when you don't baby them. The beginning of that error chain may have started with the decision to go into that airport.

 

[RipCurl]

I personally have my doubts about the eclipse.

If you only knew the half of it...

 

[Rokit88]

No anti skid brakes
No TR's
No speed brakes
Airspeed control is critical on final or it floats forever

NO ANTI-SKID??? MY F*&%$ING Toyota has anti-skid breakes!!!! Do you drag your feet (a la Fred Flintstone) to stop???

 

[samballs]

many Citations are single pilot certified and you dont see this happening, you just see them taxiing around in lakes after they overshoot their landing!

ha ha ha ha ha!!! like this idiot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhrpA0tmBQ

 

[J.Otto]

If you only knew the half of it...

clue me in. whats with it. have you flown it. how does it compare to the other VLJs?

I wonder how this new air taxi thing is gonna work out. Especially in light of the fuel situation.

 

[Fly91]

ha ha ha ha ha!!! like this idiot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhrpA0tmBQ

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Thats a classic, what a moron.

 

[FO4life]

I bet it will be another FADEC problem just like in MDW

 

[Quimby]

ha ha ha ha ha!!! like this idiot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhrpA0tmBQ

or this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAtb-2k5ko

 

[LJ45]

or this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAtb-2k5ko

Did I miss something with that video? Looks like 17L at KAPA which is 10,000 feet and someone getting instruction in a Adam 700. I saw nothing dangerous in that video.

 

[Fly91]

or this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAtb-2k5ko

Yeah, he's a dummy too. It worked out, it was VFR, hopefully no passengers, but its just poor flying skills to dive a turbine powered airplane like that on very short final. His time may be coming.