Duane Woerth question

[jamesslally]

It's been a while, but I was wondering if his position is an elected one, or if there is any kind of term limit. I can't understand why he is not help accountable by the membership, and why the membership has no recourse. Considering nobody has 1 good thing to say about him why can't the membership demand his resignation. If not what would prevent UAL, DAL, NWA...from strting in house unions and telling ALPA to go fu(k themselves??

 

[TWA Dude]

While I certainly agree with your opinion of DW we have to face the fact that there is no widespread outcry over him. (The posters on this MB don't add up to enough.)

 

[pianoman]

IMHO, whoever is the point man is always going to bear the brunt of the criticism. That said, if you still don't think he is the man for the job, speak with your elected local reps and see if they share your opinion. They are the ones who could get the ball rolling.

 

[Mach 80]

With all the paycuts and furloughs and resulting decrease in union dues, I was wondering about ALPA's financial condition.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Good questions - if you read the notes from the Executive Board ALPA is concerned about revenue & has made moves to move assets off shore to avoid exposure in litigation.

 

[Captain Overs]

Since we all have had to take significant pay cuts I was wondering if ALPA leadership should do the same to feel our pain. If they did maybe they would play a litttle more hardball instead of just letting managements do what they please.

 

[PCL_128]

It's been a while, but I was wondering if his position is an elected one, or if there is any kind of term limit. I can't understand why he is not help accountable by the membership, and why the membership has no recourse. Considering nobody has 1 good thing to say about him why can't the membership demand his resignation.

Duane is elected by the BOD (Board of Directors). The BOD is composed of the Status Reps from each LEC. If you want to get rid of DW, then you need to talk to your LEC reps. If they don't want to get rid of him (and most don't), then you'll have to replace your LEC reps. Basically, you won't be able to get rid of DW because most of the members of the BOD are relatively happy with him. The fact that a bunch of malcontents on a message board don't like him isn't really relevant.

 

[~~~^~~~]

The President of the Union effectively controls discretionary funds. All MEC's are run in perpetual bankruptcy and rely on these discretionary funds for everything from paper for the copier to trip drop pay. Of course no one wants to dry to boot him from office, everyone in the hierarchy is either sucking up, or scared.

This is another reason why our "Democratic" union is not.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

He told you guys to vote Democrat, but you just wouldn't listen.

 

[NAA Pilot]

Hopefull Worthless will end up behind bars.

It's not any particular political party's fault that ALPO NEVER learned the leassons that Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, US Air, etc etc taught them about pensions.

 

[pianoman]

You don't agree with him, so he should go to jail? What has he done that is illegal? Removing him from office is one thing. What do you have to back this up?

 

[AA717driver]

He told you guys to vote Democrat, but you just wouldn't listen.

That shows a level of ignorance so deep, I don't know where to begin to dig to show you the light...


DW may go to jail for tampering with the integration between TWA and AA. He was negotiating with the APA before, during and after the integration without informing the TWA MEC. He also instructed the ALPA-assigned attorney to advise the TWA MEC to act contrary to its best interests.

Woerthless may well follow YOUR dues money out of the country to avoid prosecution.TC

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Since we all have had to take significant pay cuts I was wondering if ALPA leadership should do the same to feel our pain. If they did maybe they would play a litttle more hardball instead of just letting managements do what they please.

The National officers' pay is predicated based on a metric involving the pay scales of several of the highest paying seats of all ALPA carriers I believe so under that methodology, then they have taken some form of economic hit, since virtually all legacy carriers have undergone significant concessionary bargaining rounds.

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

That shows a level of ignorance so deep, I don't know where to begin to dig to show you the light...


DW may go to jail for tampering with the integration between TWA and AA. He was negotiating with the APA before, during and after the integration without informing the TWA MEC. He also instructed the ALPA-assigned attorney to advise the TWA MEC to act contrary to its best interests.

Woerthless may well follow YOUR dues money out of the country to avoid prosecution.TC

Do you have proof and evidence of these claims?

-Neal

 

[freightdogfred]

You don't agree with him, so he should go to jail? What has he done that is illegal? Removing him from office is one thing. What do you have to back this up?

Well we'll see what judge Hamilton has to say....


09:00 AM (r)Thomas Rachford v. Air Line Pilots Assoc.
C 03-3618 PJH
Plaintiffs' Motion for Leave to File Third Amended Complaint
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This case goes before the judge TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AA717driver]

Do you have proof and evidence of these claims?

-Neal

Just witnesses and documents with more coming with discovery.TC

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hopefull Worthless will end up behind bars.

It's not any particular political party's fault that ALPO NEVER learned the leassons that Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, US Air, etc etc taught them about pensions.

If he is guilty I hope he does.....

Funny... us pilots never learned the lessons either....

Dumb and dumber...that is fair isn't it?

 

[Boeingman]

Duane? Duaneis it really you?

If he is guilty I hope he does.....

Funny... us pilots never learned the lessons either....

Dumb and dumber...that is fair isn't it?

Another post dredged up about ALPA from over a week ago. Anyone see a pattern with this guy?

Sleep well Rez, it is all the memberships fault. Are you paid to defend ALPA or are you just feeling a little insecure these days down there in Herndon?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Another post dredged up about ALPA from over a week ago. Anyone see a pattern with this guy?

Sleep well Rez, it is all the memberships fault. Are you paid to defend ALPA or are you just feeling a little insecure these days down there in Herndon?

Nope just tried of pilots looking like clowns. I wish they would get informed so they we can shake up ALPA and make it work for the avg line pilot. Let's get rid of ALPA and start a better union. Right now the avg line pilot is too ignorant to be effective. You just can't throw 1.95% at the problem, gotta use you brain....

 

[Boeingman]

Nope just tried of pilots looking like clowns. I wish they would get informed so they we can shake up ALPA and make it work for the avg line pilot. Let's get rid of ALPA and start a better union. Right now the avg line pilot is too ignorant to be effective. You just can't throw 1.95% at the problem, gotta use you brain....

Informed informed blah blah blah.. Yes Rez we are all to ignorant and have no brains. There is that elitist attitude reeking out of you again.

 

[maru657]

Complaints about ALPA are basically a dollar short and a minute late. ALPA failed years ago, however it was the electorate that failed the organization, leading to it's demise. The former MEC, Hank Duffey was probably the catalyst for the end of labour within the US airline industry. He supported a whitehouse that was determined to destroy ALPA and other US unions. In any case Duffey was elected to the MEC and as a result One major airline after another began to fail. Of course his own company, Delta continued to prosper but that's no longer the case. Now I hear the boys at UPS are attempting to get rid of their federal mediator and have a strike vote. Wonder what they'll say to the original pilots of UPS? I'll bet a lot of those guys would love to cross that picket line. Maybe the pilots at AA and Delta can achieve some semblance of solidarity with the pilots at Eagle or Comair but I would'nt hold your breath. Continental? Naaa, too full of scabs. United or NorthWest? Well, I'll bet a lot of old Republic and Frontier pilots are still nurseing a grudge. I thought that the consolidation of all of the Eagle carriers would have created a strong organization but ALPA got their hooks into the mix and sold those people down the river. I suspect we will have to hit the bottom before there's any hope. When we can look up to the working conditions of itinerant farm workers, maybe there will be a chance but probably not before.

 

[AA717driver]

maru--I agree with everything you said except about Continental. There are so few scabs left there, it's irrelevent. CAL is keeping its head down because so many people saw how bad it was and how they pulled themselves up from the depths that they are very hesitant to do anything to rock the boat.

The rest of your post is spot on. Unfortunately, like a lot of us, you've gained perspective at a price.TC

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Informed informed blah blah blah.. Yes Rez we are all to ignorant and have no brains. There is that elitist attitude reeking out of you again.

Misinfomred blah blah blah...

I say the common dues paying meember doesn't know the difference from a LEC or MEC or the fact there is an EB. You call me an elitist for knowing that?

I'll support your revamping of ALPA or the organization you install after you remove ALPA and all of the corrupt croonies that are milking off our dues money...

Talk is cheap...put up or shut up....

Tired of the whinning and crying and no one doing nothing about it....

 

[Boeingman]

Misinfomred blah blah blah...

I say the common dues paying meember doesn't know the difference from a LEC or MEC or the fact there is an EB. You call me an elitist for knowing that?

I'll support your revamping of ALPA or the organization you install after you remove ALPA and all of the corrupt croonies that are milking off our dues money...

Talk is cheap...put up or shut up....

Tired of the whinning and crying and no one doing nothing about it....

You have a very low opinion of the "common dues paying member". I call you an elitist becasue of your continued tone and attitude towards us "common dues paying members".

What do you want me to put up Rez? You are a fool if you even believe for a second with all the politics within ALPA, a resolution to bring national officers salaries more in line with us "common dues paying members" would succeed.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Continental? Naaa, too full of scabs.

Really??? Out of all the pilots at CAL, can you tell us what percentage of them are scabs? Or did you read that on a bathroom wall someplace?

Tejas

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You have a very low opinion of the "common dues paying member". I call you an elitist becasue of your continued tone and attitude towards us "common dues paying members".

I have a big disapointment in the common paying dues member. They hand over 1.95% and don't know much about it combined with unrealistic expectation it is very easy to get very bitter quick. Combined with thier arrogant vitrol its gets old even quicker. How do you expect your local reps to increase effectiveness when the membership thinks thier dues buys a service?

What do you want me to put up Rez? You are a fool if you even believe for a second with all the politics within ALPA, a resolution to bring national officers salaries more in line with us "common dues paying members" would succeed.

Then why put all of this negative energy into it? All you got is vitrol, hatred and bitterness. Let's put it this way: if times were good, there would be none of this discussion because career expectations would be satisfied.