Drug Spraying S of the border(s)

ACT700

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Looks like their still at it, down there.

Thought I'd post this for all you adrenaline junkies looking to go down there to do some "fun" flying.

Be careful!



US anti-drugs plane shot down, pilot killed
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A United States drug fumigation plane was shot down by rebels in north-eastern Colombia today and its Colombian pilot was killed, police said.

The single-engine T-65 Turbo Thrush plane came under heavy gunfire near the town of El Tarra, 290 miles north-east of Bogota, while it was fumigating coca, the main ingredient in cocaine, said Colonel Henry Gamboa, head of the eradication unit of the Colombian Counter-narcotics Police.

“There were several bullet-holes in the plane,” he said.

The US Embassy said the pilot died while being taken to a hospital. The embassy is investigating the crash.

The plane was owned by the US State Department, said Gregory Lagana, spokesman for Dyncorp, a US company paid by the State Department to fumigate coca crops in Colombia. Lagana declined to say who the pilot worked for.

The US funds the aerial fumigation of coca in Colombia, the world’s main source of cocaine.
Leftist rebels who control a large share of cocaine production in Colombia have shot at the fumigation planes in the past, killing several pilots since 2000, when Washington launched the multi-billion-dollar Plan Colombia, aimed at wiping out drug production in Colombia and at hitting the rebels.

In addition, three US military contractors were kidnapped by the rebel Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, in 2003 when their single-engine plane crash-landed in a rebel stronghold after its engine failed. The FARC is holding the three as prisoners of war.

A fourth American and a Colombian soldier aboard the plane were executed by the rebels at the crash site.




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pilotmiketx

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I met a guy who flies down there and said the drug "farmers" make missiles out of propane tanks. Fun stuff.
 

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Man I hope Pistol Pete is ok. Let's cross our fingers.


I would hate to lose any flightinfo member.
 
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Radar Plane

I saw a GIII or GIV at VNY with some type of radar ass'y. Somebody told me that it was the most powerful airborne radar setup and that it could destroy the opium crops in S. America. Anybody heard anything about that?
 

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TangoIndiaMike said:
I saw a GIII or GIV at VNY with some type of radar ass'y. Somebody told me that it was the most powerful airborne radar setup and that it could destroy the opium crops in S. America. Anybody heard anything about that?
that somebody was blowing smoke up your rear-end

NOW, a EA-6 can has enough wattage to power the entire city of New York, that is a true statement
 

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I saw a GIII or GIV at VNY with some type of radar ass'y. Somebody told me that it was the most powerful airborne radar setup and that it could destroy the opium crops in S. America. Anybody heard anything about that?
Now THAT was funny!


The real threat down there isn't rockets, missles, or guns...it's snags. Blackened trees poking above the canopies that one can't see, but that can surely hurt.
 

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satpak77 said:
that somebody was blowing smoke up your rear-end

NOW, a EA-6 can has enough wattage to power the entire city of New York, that is a true statement
Uh, I don't think so. Were that true, then the city could just park an EA-6 on the Intrepid, spool it up and hook up some jumper cables, instead of bothering with all of those pesky power plants.
 

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Uh, I don't think so. Were that true, then the city could just park an EA-6 on the Intrepid, spool it up and hook up some jumper cables, instead of bothering with all of those pesky power plants.

uh, actually it is true
 

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Save yourself some pain satpak, you aint gonna win this one.
 

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OK, here's some math for you.

According to http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/pdf/energy_task_force.pdf, "A Report to Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, New York City Energy Policy: An Electricity Resource Roadmap", prepared by the New York City Energy Policy Task Force, January 2004:

In 2003, New York City’s forecasted peak electricity demand was 11,020 megawatts.

That is peak demand, so let's estimate that the city regularly needs 75% of that peak demand, or about 7,500 MW.

Then, according to the navy, at http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-ea6b.html, some facts about the EA-6B Prowler:

Propulsion: Two Pratt & Whitney J52-P408 engines (10,400 pounds thrust each)
Speed: 500 Kts + (575 mph, 920 kmh)

It isn't that easy to make a direct conversion from thrust to power, but we can come close with some guesses. If we assume that the EA-6B only needs all of its maximum rated power to maintain level flight at maximum speed (more on that later), we convert 20,800 pounds thrust (2 engines) to 92500 newtons, and 575 mph to 257 m/s. Since P=F*V, that gives about 24,000,000 watts, or 24 MW. Even if we assume that the aircraft only needs a quarter of its maximum power to sustain max cruise flight, the entire power generated by both engines will not exceed 100 MW.

Now satpak was actually referring to the radar power, not the engine power, but the power for the radar must come from somewhere on the aircraft. That would be from the generators which are on the engines, and it stands to reason that the generators could not put out more power than the engines can create. And since the engines can only produce about 1% of the power required by the city of New York, the generators aren't going to come close.

In other words, satpak has been sadly misled.

QED

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yea, but you're the idiot who spent 12 hours researching it and proving him wrong. you're so cool.
 

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PolarTwins55 said:
yea, but you're the idiot who spent 12 hours researching it and proving him wrong. you're so cool.
I myself am impressed with his ' coolness ', I have no problem with ' myth ' debunking when explained in a clear fashion with supporting links, why perpetuate any false claim ??

BTW in case anyone wants to know I got 8 inches of flacid in my underwear, ladies debunk away LOL.
 

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What kind of pay can a guy earn flying south of the Border? Are there similar operations to take out poppies in central asia?
 

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TIGV said:
BTW in case anyone wants to know I got 8 inches of flacid in my underwear, ladies debunk away LOL.
Because you're past due for a Preparation H treatment?

"Honey, is that a cauliflower in your butt?"
 

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PolarTwins55 said:
yea, but you're the idiot who spent 12 hours researching it and proving him wrong. you're so cool.
well, actually, it only took him 36 minutes from the last post, but I suspect that not all of the 36 minutes was spent on the response, a few minutes of googling, a few minutes of fairly simple arithmetic. And yeah, there are some of us who think that somone who actually does a little research and uses thier brain is much cooler than somone who just repeats myths they've been told.



ERJ145mech,

outstanding ... sick but funny
 

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avbug said:
Now THAT was funny!


The real threat down there isn't rockets, missles, or guns...it's snags. Blackened trees poking above the canopies that one can't see, but that can surely hurt.
Geez you're consistent. Whenever anybody states an opinion or fact, YOU have the REAL REASON,FACT,SITUATION,ETC.
 

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What kind of pay can a guy earn flying south of the Border? Are there similar operations to take out poppies in central asia?
Approx 90,000 to start.

There would have been a lot more work if the Afghanis hadn't pulled the plug on chemical use in their country.
 
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