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"Let this thread die", huh? Well, the Mesa-bashers seem content enough to spew their horse sh!t for weeks on end; I say let's keep this one rolling!
You know, I don't have a problem in the world on a personal level with anyone who PFT'd back in the day, but I think ChinaClipper's making a good point about the hypocrisy of some of you. You'll sit there behind your keyboard and mouth ad infinitum about how the Mesa yes-voters sold out just to get ahead ("shiny new jets" and all), yet you conveniently forget that those of you who bought your jobs did exactly the same thing. I don't want to hear about how "everyone was doing it" and you "couldn't get hired otherwise", because there are plenty of us that found another way to reach our goals.
Bottom line is you were too impatient to wait for a legitimate opportunity, so you jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to gain that all-important seniority number, never mind how fundamentally wrong it was. Again, I truthfully don't care if you PFT'd. I have a number of friends who did and I don't think any less of them (it was the right decision for them at the time - who am I to judge?). But I'm pretty sure they're not on here saying hateful things every chance they get about the Mesa pilots. C'mon, can't you see how hypocritical you're being? For crying out loud, at least admit it - you didn't agree with the whole PFT concept, but you gave in and ponied up the dough because it was the first interview you were offered, or you really wanted to get on with a jet carrier, or you just were tired of instructing, or any of a number of other lame excuses.
In my estimation, ChinaClipper isn't losing this argument. He's making a statement, and I have to admit it's pretty humorous watching you guys search for a comeback that won't sound like you're back-pedalling.
You know, I don't have a problem in the world on a personal level with anyone who PFT'd back in the day, but I think ChinaClipper's making a good point about the hypocrisy of some of you. You'll sit there behind your keyboard and mouth ad infinitum about how the Mesa yes-voters sold out just to get ahead ("shiny new jets" and all), yet you conveniently forget that those of you who bought your jobs did exactly the same thing. I don't want to hear about how "everyone was doing it" and you "couldn't get hired otherwise", because there are plenty of us that found another way to reach our goals.
Bottom line is you were too impatient to wait for a legitimate opportunity, so you jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to gain that all-important seniority number, never mind how fundamentally wrong it was. Again, I truthfully don't care if you PFT'd. I have a number of friends who did and I don't think any less of them (it was the right decision for them at the time - who am I to judge?). But I'm pretty sure they're not on here saying hateful things every chance they get about the Mesa pilots. C'mon, can't you see how hypocritical you're being? For crying out loud, at least admit it - you didn't agree with the whole PFT concept, but you gave in and ponied up the dough because it was the first interview you were offered, or you really wanted to get on with a jet carrier, or you just were tired of instructing, or any of a number of other lame excuses.
In my estimation, ChinaClipper isn't losing this argument. He's making a statement, and I have to admit it's pretty humorous watching you guys search for a comeback that won't sound like you're back-pedalling.
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Re: PFT rationalizers..
Thanks for the vagina monologue, you pu$$y.
re-read my previous post about your brethren paying for their own training:
http://www.nvlt.nl/archief/aviation...us_sal_2002.htm
However, training is an area that has shown improvement each year since our 1998 survey. Back then, 58 percent of respondents said they received company-paid initial and recurrent training. For this year’s survey, 66 percent did. The percentage of employers reported to offer no training has also declined, from 25 percent in 1998 to 21 percent today.
I think that you are just crying becuase you have a small penis and no flying job. I spent a total of $23,500 on ALL of my flight training and four-year degree and was a 121 captain at COEX by the time I was 25 years old.
You're just jealous.
By the way, how's that career at UAL working out for you?
shut the F**K up.
Sincerely,
B. Franklin
ChinaClipper said:
Thanks for the vagina monologue, you pu$$y.
re-read my previous post about your brethren paying for their own training:
http://www.nvlt.nl/archief/aviation...us_sal_2002.htm
However, training is an area that has shown improvement each year since our 1998 survey. Back then, 58 percent of respondents said they received company-paid initial and recurrent training. For this year’s survey, 66 percent did. The percentage of employers reported to offer no training has also declined, from 25 percent in 1998 to 21 percent today.
I think that you are just crying becuase you have a small penis and no flying job. I spent a total of $23,500 on ALL of my flight training and four-year degree and was a 121 captain at COEX by the time I was 25 years old.
You're just jealous.
By the way, how's that career at UAL working out for you?
shut the F**K up.
Sincerely,
B. Franklin
If you spent $23,500 on all your college AND your flight training then you must be awfully smart (no sarcasm intended). Having saved so much money over most of your peers, I guess I don't blame you for buying your job. That $12,000 would have burned a hole in my pocket, too. Unfortunately, I had three times that much in college and flight training loans to pay back.
By the way, I'm not gonna fight his battles for him, but ChinaClipper's an Airbus FO for UAL's competitor in Denver. Sounds like to me like his career is working out just fine.
By the way, I'm not gonna fight his battles for him, but ChinaClipper's an Airbus FO for UAL's competitor in Denver. Sounds like to me like his career is working out just fine.
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Bent over Franklin..
God, you could be the biggest idiot on the planet...All that vast experience and no better job than flying an RJ where mainline birds should be? Yup, the ultimate profession wrecker, RJ's to replace mainline AND buy your job. You talk tough but I think its BS, if you can't win on fact, go to threats...sounds like JO's line of thought. BTW I don't fly for UAL, but facts have never been part of your statements, why start now. Stinkbug is right, my career is working out just fine BTW you sound like quite the authority on peni$ size, sorry it takes so much to make ya moan these days, I don't know much about this kinda stuff, but have you had your boyfriend strap on a fire plug or sumpthin???
God, you could be the biggest idiot on the planet...All that vast experience and no better job than flying an RJ where mainline birds should be? Yup, the ultimate profession wrecker, RJ's to replace mainline AND buy your job. You talk tough but I think its BS, if you can't win on fact, go to threats...sounds like JO's line of thought. BTW I don't fly for UAL, but facts have never been part of your statements, why start now. Stinkbug is right, my career is working out just fine BTW you sound like quite the authority on peni$ size, sorry it takes so much to make ya moan these days, I don't know much about this kinda stuff, but have you had your boyfriend strap on a fire plug or sumpthin???
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Re: Bent over Franklin..
Sounds like someone needs a reality check.
When your mom tucks you in tonight, be sure to ask her about all of the REPLACEMENT JETS that Horizon will fly into and out of your hub from now on.
Then, you'll need her to tell you a bed time story so you can calm down as you visualize your own career slipping from underneath you.
You'll probably come back here and rationalize to all of us how Horizon stealing your mainline jobs is no big deal. How they are going to be used only to "supplement" and/or "complement" your mainline routes. Or, my fave, "Horizon is only feed for us manly real jet pilots" I can't wait for your "mainline" response, pigfuc*er.
Q. How can you tell the airbus pilot at the bar?
A. He's the one with nothing between his legs.
Sincerely,
B. Franklin
ChinaClipper said:
Sounds like someone needs a reality check.
When your mom tucks you in tonight, be sure to ask her about all of the REPLACEMENT JETS that Horizon will fly into and out of your hub from now on.
Then, you'll need her to tell you a bed time story so you can calm down as you visualize your own career slipping from underneath you.
You'll probably come back here and rationalize to all of us how Horizon stealing your mainline jobs is no big deal. How they are going to be used only to "supplement" and/or "complement" your mainline routes. Or, my fave, "Horizon is only feed for us manly real jet pilots" I can't wait for your "mainline" response, pigfuc*er.
Q. How can you tell the airbus pilot at the bar?
A. He's the one with nothing between his legs.
Sincerely,
B. Franklin
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So, ChinaClipper
I guess when you were flying the EMB145, CL65's you weren't flying a replacement jet huh? When you were there it was strictly feed to whomever the major was that you were feeding? Who were these companies you were flying for? Must have upgraded pretty quick to have 2200 PIC or is that all in the float planes or singles? Or is it 121 PIC....can't imagine someone upgrading that quick (with only 4000TT as your profile shows) and 2200 of it being 121 PIC....unless you flew at an airline that was PFT which traditionaly had much quicker upgrade times than the non PFT airlines?!?!
Just trying to get a feel for your background at the airlines and wondering why you even bothered to work for an airline that is full of replacement jets which you seem to loathe so much.
I guess when you were flying the EMB145, CL65's you weren't flying a replacement jet huh? When you were there it was strictly feed to whomever the major was that you were feeding? Who were these companies you were flying for? Must have upgraded pretty quick to have 2200 PIC or is that all in the float planes or singles? Or is it 121 PIC....can't imagine someone upgrading that quick (with only 4000TT as your profile shows) and 2200 of it being 121 PIC....unless you flew at an airline that was PFT which traditionaly had much quicker upgrade times than the non PFT airlines?!?!
Just trying to get a feel for your background at the airlines and wondering why you even bothered to work for an airline that is full of replacement jets which you seem to loathe so much.
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Interesting thread.
As a pilot who was trying to get on with the regionals in the early 90's, I know a little about PFT. I did choose NOT to go that route, although I have friends that did.
Although I won't use the strong language the original poster used, I feel that PFT is bad for the industry and RJ's should have been a mainline product. I felt that way when I was a regional pilot, alas, that camel's nose is under the tent now.
What I do find interesting is the posters who don't like the message and feel the need to attack the messenger.
One man's opinion, your mileage may vary.
As a pilot who was trying to get on with the regionals in the early 90's, I know a little about PFT. I did choose NOT to go that route, although I have friends that did.
Although I won't use the strong language the original poster used, I feel that PFT is bad for the industry and RJ's should have been a mainline product. I felt that way when I was a regional pilot, alas, that camel's nose is under the tent now.
What I do find interesting is the posters who don't like the message and feel the need to attack the messenger.
One man's opinion, your mileage may vary.
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Fair enough, Outtolunch, I didn't PFT..
but I used a regional for what it was, and what it had been for years before, 9/11; hold your nose for the quick upgrade and move on. Mesa was the poster boy for this type of career step. I flew a JO's Flying Circus for 5 years (mil leave for almost 1 year in between)....hired w/1300tt, after CFIing/Weather modification/Corp 727FE. Upgrade 1900 @ 8 months, upgrade EMB-145 @ 13 months and 1800tt, escaped the seatlock. CL-65 after Mil leave was up. My PIC is all Part 121, 90% RJ. There are many Mesa guys w/similar upgrade experiences, most moving on too. The 1900 bases were from Coast to coast, the RJ's 90% DCA based flying the East Coast. Went to F9 shortly thereafter. My rants about Replacment Jets are mixed. My first RJ came in 2000 and really didn't think that management would use them for anything other than New route exploration/ frequency enhancement etc. 9/11 made RJ's the quickest solution to match the route with a given revenue environment. NO ONE could have quessed that 4 years later they would be as prevelent as they have become. It represents an unfortunate trend and the airlines will find out that it is a cost cutting measure, not a revenue enhancing one and gives away HUGE future upside. (Mike Boyd's thinking, and I agree) Even ol' Stevie the Wolf new ya can't shrink of save your way to prosperity(sp?) Point is, I coulda gone to CoEx or any number of PFT ops, most would interview your at the AirInc shows etc, just couldn't see giving corporate welfare (PFT) when it made scummy regional managers wealthy. Enough is enough, I gotta quit posting here. Good Luck to all, fly safe, and yes. that even means you Ben Franklin......My apologies for the childish responses to equally childish posts....
but I used a regional for what it was, and what it had been for years before, 9/11; hold your nose for the quick upgrade and move on. Mesa was the poster boy for this type of career step. I flew a JO's Flying Circus for 5 years (mil leave for almost 1 year in between)....hired w/1300tt, after CFIing/Weather modification/Corp 727FE. Upgrade 1900 @ 8 months, upgrade EMB-145 @ 13 months and 1800tt, escaped the seatlock. CL-65 after Mil leave was up. My PIC is all Part 121, 90% RJ. There are many Mesa guys w/similar upgrade experiences, most moving on too. The 1900 bases were from Coast to coast, the RJ's 90% DCA based flying the East Coast. Went to F9 shortly thereafter. My rants about Replacment Jets are mixed. My first RJ came in 2000 and really didn't think that management would use them for anything other than New route exploration/ frequency enhancement etc. 9/11 made RJ's the quickest solution to match the route with a given revenue environment. NO ONE could have quessed that 4 years later they would be as prevelent as they have become. It represents an unfortunate trend and the airlines will find out that it is a cost cutting measure, not a revenue enhancing one and gives away HUGE future upside. (Mike Boyd's thinking, and I agree) Even ol' Stevie the Wolf new ya can't shrink of save your way to prosperity(sp?) Point is, I coulda gone to CoEx or any number of PFT ops, most would interview your at the AirInc shows etc, just couldn't see giving corporate welfare (PFT) when it made scummy regional managers wealthy. Enough is enough, I gotta quit posting here. Good Luck to all, fly safe, and yes. that even means you Ben Franklin......My apologies for the childish responses to equally childish posts....
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