Don't give guys who Bought their Jobs a

[ChinaClipper]

Bent over Franklin..

God, you could be the biggest idiot on the planet...All that vast experience and no better job than flying an RJ where mainline birds should be? Yup, the ultimate profession wrecker, RJ's to replace mainline AND buy your job. You talk tough but I think its BS, if you can't win on fact, go to threats...sounds like JO's line of thought. BTW I don't fly for UAL, but facts have never been part of your statements, why start now. Stinkbug is right, my career is working out just fine BTW you sound like quite the authority on peni$ size, sorry it takes so much to make ya moan these days, I don't know much about this kinda stuff, but have you had your boyfriend strap on a fire plug or sumpthin???

 

[MJG]

So then everyone who got hired at Southwest Airlines for all those years and PAID for a 7-3 type was a sellout as well huh?

 

[Ben Franklin]

Re: Bent over Franklin..

All that vast experience and no better job than flying an RJ where mainline birds should be? Yup, the ultimate profession wrecker, RJ's to replace mainline AND buy your job... my career is working out just fine

Sounds like someone needs a reality check.

When your mom tucks you in tonight, be sure to ask her about all of the REPLACEMENT JETS that Horizon will fly into and out of your hub from now on.

Then, you'll need her to tell you a bed time story so you can calm down as you visualize your own career slipping from underneath you.

You'll probably come back here and rationalize to all of us how Horizon stealing your mainline jobs is no big deal. How they are going to be used only to "supplement" and/or "complement" your mainline routes. Or, my fave, "Horizon is only feed for us manly real jet pilots" I can't wait for your "mainline" response, pigfuc*er.

Q. How can you tell the airbus pilot at the bar?
A. He's the one with nothing between his legs.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[outtolunch]

So, ChinaClipper

I guess when you were flying the EMB145, CL65's you weren't flying a replacement jet huh? When you were there it was strictly feed to whomever the major was that you were feeding? Who were these companies you were flying for? Must have upgraded pretty quick to have 2200 PIC or is that all in the float planes or singles? Or is it 121 PIC....can't imagine someone upgrading that quick (with only 4000TT as your profile shows) and 2200 of it being 121 PIC....unless you flew at an airline that was PFT which traditionaly had much quicker upgrade times than the non PFT airlines?!?!

Just trying to get a feel for your background at the airlines and wondering why you even bothered to work for an airline that is full of replacement jets which you seem to loathe so much.

 

[bpapaDC8]

Interesting thread.

As a pilot who was trying to get on with the regionals in the early 90's, I know a little about PFT. I did choose NOT to go that route, although I have friends that did.

Although I won't use the strong language the original poster used, I feel that PFT is bad for the industry and RJ's should have been a mainline product. I felt that way when I was a regional pilot, alas, that camel's nose is under the tent now.

What I do find interesting is the posters who don't like the message and feel the need to attack the messenger.

One man's opinion, your mileage may vary.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Fair enough, Outtolunch, I didn't PFT..

but I used a regional for what it was, and what it had been for years before, 9/11; hold your nose for the quick upgrade and move on. Mesa was the poster boy for this type of career step. I flew a JO's Flying Circus for 5 years (mil leave for almost 1 year in between)....hired w/1300tt, after CFIing/Weather modification/Corp 727FE. Upgrade 1900 @ 8 months, upgrade EMB-145 @ 13 months and 1800tt, escaped the seatlock. CL-65 after Mil leave was up. My PIC is all Part 121, 90% RJ. There are many Mesa guys w/similar upgrade experiences, most moving on too. The 1900 bases were from Coast to coast, the RJ's 90% DCA based flying the East Coast. Went to F9 shortly thereafter. My rants about Replacment Jets are mixed. My first RJ came in 2000 and really didn't think that management would use them for anything other than New route exploration/ frequency enhancement etc. 9/11 made RJ's the quickest solution to match the route with a given revenue environment. NO ONE could have quessed that 4 years later they would be as prevelent as they have become. It represents an unfortunate trend and the airlines will find out that it is a cost cutting measure, not a revenue enhancing one and gives away HUGE future upside. (Mike Boyd's thinking, and I agree) Even ol' Stevie the Wolf new ya can't shrink of save your way to prosperity(sp?) Point is, I coulda gone to CoEx or any number of PFT ops, most would interview your at the AirInc shows etc, just couldn't see giving corporate welfare (PFT) when it made scummy regional managers wealthy. Enough is enough, I gotta quit posting here. Good Luck to all, fly safe, and yes. that even means you Ben Franklin......My apologies for the childish responses to equally childish posts....

 

[Dubya]

What's next?

Yo Clipp, I bet Ben's dad can whip your dad.

W

 

[climbhappy]

professional flying

it seems to me that professional flying, an endeavor that i currently endure is a PIMP AND WHORES BUSINESS.

CLIPPER, until you see it for what it is, you'll continue mindless ranting about all these things of which you have no control of.

 

[Britpilot]

Just want to be clear on this.
If EVERY Regional airline was to impose PFT tomorrow, none of you would pay for your job, correct?

 

[Britpilot]

Nice dream, but I was refering to reality.
the line would be out of the building.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

...but there is a "ME"

 

[Dubya]

"ain't no WE either"

couldn't resist

W

 

[Britpilot]

If we all stick together we just might make a better living for ourselves.

We are. It' called Collective Bargining. We have been with it for 18 months now.

 

[RJPilot]

break!!!! Had about enough of this low brow BS from the same old cast. Anyone who PFT'd should be skinned, starting with the lips. Selling out the profession BEFORE you get your uniform makes you UNABLE to pass judgement on ANYTHING related to "the profession". JO co-invented PFT @ Coex and WAY too many of you loudmouths ponied up the cash. Paying your dues DOESN'T mean I had to cut mommy and daddy's lawn for free all year in exchange for $15,000 plus, for a nifty uniform. This is giving concessions BEFORE you first day on the job.....must be something Freudian about that.......Scum

Another child with access to the parents computer. Run along little boy and quit attempting to pair off pilot vs pilot.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Re: Fair enough, Outtolunch, I didn't PFT..

My first RJ came in 2000 and really didn't think that management would use them for anything other than New route exploration/ frequency enhancement etc.

When companies like Comair and XJT purchased over 300 of these planes back in 1996-8, I think that people knew what was going on with them.

You were on the "I'm getting my PIC time and getting out" selfish train and could have cared less about those behind you. Maybe you should have gotten involved at the LEC level within the mighty mesa ALPA structure and fought to keep RJ's away.

Have fun working in Denver, maybe Horizon will work out a J4J position for you in a few years.

Oh, wait, your management told you not to expect anything from the RJ's in Denver either and, based on your qoute above, you believe them like at your last regional job.

Sincerely,


B. Franklin

 

[Fallingbrick]

Always enjoy the PTF flame bait threads!

 

[KnowItAll]

You've had this one coming, Ben!

I spent a total of $23,500 on ALL of my flight
training and four-year degree and was a 121 captain at
COEX by the time I was 25 years old.

Oh, excuse me! We didn't realize ‘Superpilot’ was
posting. I bet you solo’d at 16 too, huh?

Hmm, a 25 year old CA at CoEx . . . well, that
virtually guarantees that you didn't earn any of the $
that you spent to buy your job there. College till you
were 22, then we'll assume a 2 year upgrade at CoEx
(anyone ever seen upgrade at CoEx in less than 2
years? Witness Superpilot!). That gives you a year to
build time to be 'qualified' for CoEx - not nearly
enough time, even for a ‘Superpilot’. So you had some
time already before you graduated from college.

Since you spent less than $23K on your education and
training (and who says you have to pay for quality,
right?!), that means you earned your ratings at FBO’s
and built time all before you graduated, though you
somehow must have been going to school at the same
time – clearly, you had no time to hold down a job
then – you were too busy flying and going to school.
You had to be: within the age of 16 and 25, you
managed to attend school full time for 6 years (2
years of high school, 4 years of college), get your
PPL, IPL, CPL, CMEPL-I, CFI, CFII, MEI, ATP, 121 type
of some kind, and build enough time to get hired by
CoEx, as well as work at CoEx to build the seniority
to upgrade. Oh, you learned how to drive a car
somewhere in there too!

So, Mommy and Daddy not only paid for your job at
CoEx, they also paid for all your other expenses too.
It’s not really accurate when you say “I spent
a total of $23,500 . . .” is it?

And that’s assuming the best-case scenario, they you
actually were hired at CoEx as a qualified pilot. You
might not only be a PFT’r, but also someone who slid
in below the hiring mins b/c you were the CEO’s
recommendation – oh, let me guess, you also knew tons
of CoEx pilots already from your extensive flying
career who would write you recs and walk in your
resume?

All the other hypocrites here at least earned that $
they used to buy their job, whether fighting in ‘the
sandbox’, flying checks or bagging groceries – while
you were jacking off in the lingerie section of JC
Penny as a 8th grader.

What do you care how much another group of pilots
makes? If you’re ever low on cash, just run home to
Mama’, and tell her you need her to buy you another
job or another career. After all, you’ll succeed at
anything you try – 4 year degree, 121 CA, and total
douche bag, all by the age of 25!

Go grab some toilet paper b/c your hypocrisy is butt!

 

[Britpilot]

Re: You've had this one coming, Ben!

(anyone ever seen upgrade at CoEx in less than 2
years? Witness Superpilot!).

As a matter of fact yes.
I upgraded on the 1900 in six months.

 

[climbhappy]

know it all tells all

The FAA should be regulating this industry by inposing guidesline for hire, minimums quals and age. Maybe one should be 30 before holding a 121 job, so years of frieght and instruction would deem them worthy to hold the yoke of a 25 million dollar RJ.

i used 30 arbitrarily, so don't get your panties in a wad.

 

[NightFlyer]

climbhappy,

So, should we have our military pilots wait until they're 30 until they get to sit in the cockpit of a F-16 or KC10?


NightFlyer