Dont come to Jetblue if you have a family

[Ski-N-Fly]

did wonders for the Hostess workers

Thank you for comparing apples to paper clips.

 

[pilotyip]

Thank you for comparing apples to paper clips.

Thank you for the fascinating response, apples and paper clips are both objects therefore they have something in common, the same as JB and Hostess when labour action is involved.

 

[Lake Alice]

Yip you are a moron. You have absolutely no clue as to what you speak of, you don't work for the airline, you've never worked for an airline that made many any money, you have no knowledge of what the pilot group deals with day in an day out, which, in short, renders the majority of your posts and opinions regarding anything Jetblue related ignorant.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip you are a moron. You have absolutely no clue as to what you speak of, you don't work for the airline, you've never worked for an airline that made many any money, you have no knowledge of what the pilot group deals with day in an day out, which, in short, renders the majority of your posts and opinions regarding anything Jetblue related ignorant.

Alice you are so funny, and so FI, see something you don't like and resort to name calling. But we have been here before so it is not an issue. But back to basics, you post on a public site, expect public comment. BTW What is "many any money"? As far my background you know I have dead ALPA and IBT airlines in my history.

This board is very pro-union. It stands on a platform that unions can do no harm, and management can do no good. I just happen to not agree with that stance and it is my duty to point out the other side. A lot of this comes from my personal experiences as a union member. The union activists eternal promise of "more pay and more says off" until of course you have all your days off, without pay.

 

[GogglesPisano]

And again, Yip, I'll ask if you think the pilots at UPS, SWA, FDX, or DAL would make what they make without collective bargaining.

 

[pilotyip]

And again, Yip, I'll ask if you think the pilots at UPS, SWA, FDX, or DAL would make what they make without collective bargaining.

Everyone always brings up the top three SWA, F and U when they talk about how good unions are. They are profitable companies that can share with their employees. But at DAL the union was part of negotiating a big pay cut.

However when a union pushes management into a corner with a strike threat, the company often has to do things they not to be in their best interest. Reference GM in 1994 when they knew they could not afford the union contract in the long term, but knew that would be less devastating than a strike in the short term for a company that had borrowed to the limit and needed the cash flow to stay solvent.

As per above their are two sides to every story. This is a public site, expect public comment.

BTW: Of course we are not listing the companies that had unions and are no longer paying any employees.

 

[Splert]

More black or white, 0 or 1 logic.

Nothing in between.

 

[BentOver]

Aww give YIP a break..He did work at Zantop back in the 80's after all. He must know what he's talking about..:laugh:

YIP, working for a fly by night, trying everything shady they can to make a buck.. Does not constitute insider knowledge....

Zantop management was well known for hating Unions and doing everything they could to circumvent unions.... Which should have put you right in with a management position...

The reason unions are generally supported on FI is because we all worked very hard and spent a small fortune to get where we are, and some of us would like to prosper without having to stab our co-workers in the back to do so. Nor do many of us want to spend a career sucking up to management at every turn. And also because of the type of work we do it is important to have set limits on schedules, bidding, seniority etc...

There is a reason your operation up there in MI is not the pillar of aviation companies.... You don't really gather much respect when you spout off your rhetoric, yet work for a bottom tier aviation company but try to dispell those of us who work at high level companies...

same goes with your lack of a degree rhetoric... It's easy for you to say "a degree is useless in aviation"... but then look at the companies those without a degree end up working... (here's a clue, it's not UPS, FEDEX, Delta, SWA etc) So go tell a youngster he doesn't need a degree, just tell him he will most likely never work for a highly respectible company...

Here's another bit of information for you.. when a companies management team, like GM, designs and builds really really awful cars. It should not be the employees who suffer pay cuts etc... When a company like Hostess goes through BK just a few short years ago and takes from employees, they should not expect to be able to do it again in a couple years.. They made really unhealthy products in a time when more and more people are becoming health conscious. They should have come up with better ideas. After all that is what the talent is supposed to do. That is why they get those huge retainer bonuses.

 

[Flyer1015]

Give me a break. Total BS. These healthcare changes have been a national trend for more than a decade, in all industries and many local governments. My father in law is a fire chief for a large city. They changed to a JetBlue style health plan 4 years ago. I suppose that was Obama's fault also.

As healthcare starts to cost more and more to cover those entitled, costs are going up disproportionately more as a result of Obamacare.

 

[pilotyip]

As healthcare starts to cost more and more to cover those entitled, costs are going up disproportionately more as a result of Obamacare.

until DC puts cost controls in place by rationing healthcare, making economic decisions on should this procedure be done on a 85 years old person. If that doesn't work we will make it a 70 years old person, and finally a 55 year old person. We will limit Doctor's wages like Canada, where all the Doc's in country going on strike is not unheard of. Just standby England here we come. A private health system than only takes Cash, MC, Visa and Amex will grow up is this country like Mexico. The truly rich and those in Gov't jobs will have great health care. The rest us will be using the Getto Health Clinic.

BTW in late 90's during a hiring boom both NWA and UAL hired pilots without degrees.

 

[GogglesPisano]

until DC puts cost controls in place by rationing healthcare,

Healthcare has always been rationed.

 

[kellwolf]

Training center - ask any instructor

Did several better. I asked several intructors. Not happening. Don't believe everything you read on Blue Pilots.

Reserves - look at the awards, email the scheduling committee, ask crew services

Guys I know on reserve are flying more, sure. They're flying around 30-50 hours instead of 20-40. Still not "ZOMG! WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE!?!?!" numbers. So, one again, followed your advice and asked around...

 

[Smarta$$]

As healthcare starts to cost more and more to cover those entitled, costs are going up disproportionately more as a result of Obamacare.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/pf/insurance/health-insurance-premiums/index.html

 

[Splert]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/pf/insurance/health-insurance-premiums/index.html

You are looking at a large issue though a straw and only seeing what you want to see.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Thank you for the fascinating response, apples and paper clips are both objects therefore they have something in common, the same as JB and Hostess when labour action is involved.

Implying that airline pilot negotiations are "the same" as labor negotiations at Hostess is nothing more than a desperate (albeit also humorous) attempt to portray all unions as being "the same," and therefore in your eyes must all be bad because of the negative outcome at Hostess. Gotta love your cookie cutter approach to unions. You blame the employees and absolve the management. Nice.

By saying that apples and paper clips are both objects, and therefore have something in common is nothing more than merely reaching for straws. They have about as little in common as your Hostess analogy, which was my point. Using your logic (or lack thereof in this case), I guess you could say that Adolph Hitler and Mother Theresa have something in common because they both needed oxygen to survive.

 

[pilotyip]

. You blame the employees and absolve the management. Nice.

Fits right in with what has been said before you are either 100% pro-union and 100% anti-management or your posts are completely irrelevant. There are two sides to every issue, it is not pure black or white. There is a gray in the middle. The union activists eternal battle cry of "more pay and more says off" until of course you have all your days off, without pay.

 

[EngineThunder]

"more pay and more says off"??
If you had a college degree you could improve your spelling.

Yip would fly a 737 for $200 a day.

 

[bluesideup340]

Training center instructors just notified that they are being cut from A320 FO pay based on 90hrs per month to 70 hrs per month. This is a $2500-$3000 paycut for every instructor there

Check your sources before you post.

 

[pilotpayne]

Check our sources before you post.

Um I did not post that.
I sent an email to find out if it was true and it is not.
Read my post next time.

 

[bluesideup340]

Um I did not post that.
I sent an email to find out if it was true and it is not.
Read my post next time.

Then check the facts before you post first.

 

[pilotpayne]

I don't think you know what you are talking about.
I quoted someone who said that. I did not say it. I sent an email
to an instructor I know who said it was not true. So go read my posts.
Once again I did not say it.....understand now?
Start with post number 10 and you will see that I was asking where
the guy who started all this got his info from.

 

[pilotpayne]

Then check the facts before you post

As should you

 

[pilotyip]

"more pay and more says off"??
If you had a college degree you could improve your spelling.

Yip would fly a 737 for $200 a day.

This goes to prove that just like the college dgre has nothing to do with flying an airplane, it has nothing to do with speeling eitehr. See waht a Master's degree will do for you.


For the speeling plocie

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BTW $200/day, naaa, but maybe if I was unemployed.

 

[BUDDHA145]

This post became a shoot first ask latter kind of thing!


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[$$$4nothin]

It is not all that bad guys. I commute, I am a 2nd year FO on the 190. I spent 15 nights in my own bed in November and will gross just a little over 10k in my December checks. Yes this is not normal and I got a bit lucky during the Sandy issue, holiday pay, and another wx issue. The point is while we do have a bit of work to do it is not all bad. Find me another 2nd year FO at any other passenger airline that spent 15 nights in there own bed while commuting and grossed over 10k. Also spent 19 nights in my own bed in October while crediting 100 hours of pay. So if you are willing to learn the system and put a little effort into makeing your life better it isn't as bad as the internet tough guys all say it is. That being said I will always be a yes vote do to the protections that I believe a CBA will give us over our PEA's. Do your research, choose the best you can, and decide if you made good choices when you turn 65.

 

[pilotyip]

It is not all that bad guys. I commute, I am a 2nd year FO on the 190. I spent 15 nights in my own bed in November and will gross just a little over 10k in my December checks. Yes this is not normal and I got a bit lucky during the Sandy issue, holiday pay, and another wx issue. The point is while we do have a bit of work to do it is not all bad. Find me another 2nd year FO at any other passenger airline that spent 15 nights in there own bed while commuting and grossed over 10k. Also spent 19 nights in my own bed in October while crediting 100 hours of pay. So if you are willing to learn the system and put a little effort into makeing your life better it isn't as bad as the internet tough guys all say it is. That being said I will always be a yes vote do to the protections that I believe a CBA will give us over our PEA's. Do your research, choose the best you can, and decide if you made good choices when you turn 65.

Great post you will do well, I bet you are pleasure to fly with.

 

[sligo1]

It is not all that bad guys. I commute, I am a 2nd year FO on the 190. I spent 15 nights in my own bed in November and will gross just a little over 10k in my December checks. Yes this is not normal and I got a bit lucky during the Sandy issue, holiday pay, and another wx issue. The point is while we do have a bit of work to do it is not all bad. Find me another 2nd year FO at any other passenger airline that spent 15 nights in there own bed while commuting and grossed over 10k. Also spent 19 nights in my own bed in October while crediting 100 hours of pay. So if you are willing to learn the system and put a little effort into makeing your life better it isn't as bad as the internet tough guys all say it is. That being said I will always be a yes vote do to the protections that I believe a CBA will give us over our PEA's. Do your research, choose the best you can, and decide if you made good choices when you turn 65.

Lets see just over 10 grand I doubt that very much.That would be 78 hr at 64 an hour and 53 hours at time and a half. I really doubti with 15 ays off. I am a 320 FO on 6 year pay with holiday and 15 days off will bearly hit that at 98 hr straight pay.

 

[BentOver]

So my Iphone e-mail goes off and I check it... It's JB notifying me that my "search criteria" has a job position that I may be interested in.... I'm curious so I log into JB's WORK HERE site... Find the req. # and here it is!!! Apparently I qualify for the Gateway VI career path and all I have to do is attend an aviation university.

With thousands of furloughed pilots is this really necessary!!!

Great, now we'll have a bunch of college kids claiming to be JetBlue pilots because they were accepted into the Gateway....:laugh:



Position Summary:



Gateway VI is the career path for students following the Aviation

University Gateway track . Candidates are selected by conducting

interviews of students from partner aviation universities. If selected,

these students will be entered into the Aviation University Gateway. As

such, they will be required to successfully meet certain "gates" and

must obtain "satisfactory flight experience" before being considered for

a new Pilot interview. This program is designed to identify strong

candidates from leading aviation schools in order to provide them a

structured pathway to a carer as a JetBloue Pilot.



Interactions:



Supervision Received:



* Plans and carries out work assignments; resolves most conflicts which

arise; coordinates work with others as necessary; interprets policy on

own initiative in terms of established objectives. Keeps Crewleader

informed of progress, potentially controversial matters, or far-reaching

implications



Supervisory Duties:



* No supervisory responsibility



Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities:



* Knowledge of Microsoft Office, Acrobat Reader and the ability to use

browsers effectively

* Excellent communication skills; complete fluency in written and spoken

English

* Ability to think creatively

* Excellent interpersonal skills



Working Conditions:



Equipment:



* Commercial Airline Jet

* Computer and other office equipment



Work Environment:



* Normal cockpit and ramp exposure per FAA required Pilot duties

* Frequent ascent and descent of jetbridge stairs



Physical Effort:



* Generally not required, or up to 10 pounds occasionally, 0 pounds

frequently. (Sedentary)






Requirements

Minimum Requirements:



* Enrollment and success in a AABI-accredited aviation program

* Minimum of 3.0 cumulative grade point average (GPA)

* Successful completion of the lfight curriculum

* Recommendations fro at leats two professors at the University

* continued successful completion of the AABI- approved curriculum a

the candidate's University

* Internship at one of the Airline Partners (or similar opportunity such

as at a govenmnet agency, non-profit aviation program, or aviation

supplier), following sophomore year. Active leadership in aviation

community service organizations can substitute for this requirement

* Instruct at AABI-approved flight school, preferably at one's

graduating University, instructing for specified amount of tiime as

required by the participating University and Airline partner.

Alternatively, candidates can instruct at the Airline partner or be a

Check Airman

* Apply for and be hired at an approved Airline Partner - fly for

required amount of time as specified by Airline Partner, and to achieve

satisfactory flight experience for a JetBlue Pilot Interview

* Attend a Jet Transition Course as part of undergraduate curriculum and

complete a Jet Transition Course at JetBlue University.

* Vision corrected to 20/20

* Bachelors Degree from AABI-accredited University Aviation Partner

* Regular attendance and punctuality

* Organizational fit for the JetBlue culture, that is, exhibit the

JetBlue values of Safety, Caring, Integrity, Fun and Passion

* Well groomed and able to maintain a professional appearance

* Pass a ten (10) year background check, pre-employment drug test and

criminal history records check (CHRC)

* Legally eligible to work in the country in which the position is

located

* When working or traveling on JetBlue flights, and if time permits, all

capable Crewmembers are asked to assist with light cleaning of the

aircraft



Disclaimer: The above statements are intended to describe the general

nature and level of work being performed by the Crewmember(s) assigned

to this position. They are not intended to be an exhaustive list of all

responsibilities, duties, and skills required of individuals in this

position. Position Expectations may be subject to change as the needs of

the organization changes.



EOE/M/F/V/D





Employment Type
Regular


Company
JetBlue - USA

 

[BeachBummer]

It's like they're anticipating... people not wanting to work here... Like they think people will leave and need to attrack pilots with less qualified back grounds?

Why? Why would this be?

 

[BentOver]

It's like they're anticipating... people not wanting to work here... Like they think people will leave and need to attrack pilots with less qualified back grounds?

Why? Why would this be?

Yeah no kidding.. I know of a lot of furloughed guys/gals who would like to have a job. No matter where it might be. It will be awesome watching just out of flight school 1500 ATP's get hired at JB over the next few years.. Meanwhile kicking the nuts of those who are truly qualified, but too experienced in the ways of wanting to be treated well.