Don't bother reading this

[.92wshn1.92]

I told you not to read this, I was just curious to see what my post would look like. Fine, I'll comment on something. Netjets after a year seems to be a decent company to work for. It has a Mickey Mouse training agenda, but some quality areas. Bottom line they're growing like a wildfire and it looks like it has staying power that no one can approach. I don't mind the endless busy work they make you do one the road and the two-faced "we're on your side" said with a wink comments while pilots are getting fired. But the pay is embarrasing - I can't sugar-coat that. This next contract better be good or there's gonna be a sucking sound.

 

[.92wshn1.92]

OK I give up

How do I put those cool pictures under my name? And I don't mean those gay little ones like I have right now.

 

[Diesel]

I'll have to control either my laughter or my embarrasment for you as a pilot for netjets.

You have to come to NJA knowing 2 things. One this is a customer service buisness. Sure flying is part of it but for me it is the second part to customer service. Anybody can fly mr and mrs jones from point a to b. Yet we provide service. Yeah I know I sound to much like TC but I do make sure we get the job done.

The second part is we are a growing company. There are going to be growing pains which will manifest itself into training problems and company problems.

We are here to work. I know that is an embarasing word but that is the truth. We are here to work and when i go out on the road i know they have me for 14 hrs with 10 hrs of rest or whatever the contract says.

So to sum it up by your post I can only assume you work for flops and if not your an embarasment. Sure the pay sucks I'll be the first to agree with that but that's what contract negotiations for.

Any more questions feel free to PM me.

D

 

[NastyGirl]

Like my cool picture, go to user cp and add it from a file you have on your computer. And for all you brainwashed fractional pilots(my fractional is better than yours), there is no happy perfect place, unless your a 20 year capt at Delta, United or American. The majority of pilots are abused, underpaid and made to believe the company really cares about you. If this isn't true why are pizza delivery and other high school dropout careers pulling in more money than instructors, commuter pilots, and half of the fractional and airline pilots? Maybe you need to stop being so critical of other pilots and start wondering why your barely do anything managers are pulling in $100,000 and up incomes. And why are these mangers not being laid off? Are you getting the real picture?

 

[rumpletumbler]

Diesel,

You have 696969 hours. Do you realize this is the equivalent of 79.6 years in the air. You da man!

RT

 

[FracPilot]

Diesel

So to sum it up by your post I can only assume you work for flops and if not your an embarasment.

Since he seems to not have his rose colored glasses on he MUST work for somebody else, right? And if he works for Flight Options(since you seem to think every fractional pilot with a bad attitude does), then that attitude is perfectly acceptable and not an embarrassment?

You are the one that is an embarrassment to the fractional industry. You must be one of those wonder kids that started flying 3 years ago, pencil whipped his logbook, and got a decent job so now you think you are God.

Here's a tip, boy. Don't let your mouth override your knowledge/experience again.

 

[tdvalve]

WOW!! You're able not only to discern Diesel's attitude, but his method of logging flight time and tenure as a pilot?

You could be Miss Cleo's replacement while she's in the pokey!

 

[gump88]

I would put my family in the back of the plane with Diesel in the front anyday!!

I have heard nothing but good things about him.......soooooo shut your hole dude or dudet!!! Jealousy will eat you alive.

Nice post Diesel, I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!

gump

 

[.92wshn1.92]

Chill Diesel

I'll have to control either my laughter or my embarrasment for you as a pilot for netjets

Since you've obviously got me, your job and the world figured out I guess I don't need to explain myself. But I will say one thing - just because I have criticisms some of which I guess could be considered negative doesn't mean that I don't like or appreciate my job. I will also say that when I was trying to decide if I was gonna give fracs a shot I appreciated those that told me the hard truth as they saw it and not those that were eager to give me a sip of the kool-aid they were guzzling.

I'll have to control either my laughter or my embarrasment for you as a pilot for netjets

I was gonna take the high road, but...nah. I'm rubber and you're glue what you say bounces off me and sticks to you - thpppt. I couldn't resist. Bad monkey

 

[Diesel]

You must be one of those wonder kids that started flying 3 years ago, pencil whipped his logbook, and got a decent job so now you think you are God.

FracPilot
Actually I am a wonder kid.... I know some people don't like to admit it but I don't mind. I actually started flying 2 years ago and made sure I pencile whipped my logbook really good. I put a bunch of float plane time in there, king air time in all models becaue you need turbine time, and threw some retract stuff in there just to round it out. I even made the time round out to a perfect 69696969. That was my best feat.

Here's a tip, boy. Don't let your mouth override your knowledge/experience again.

Boy? Yeessa I'll work on that. You must have not understood the jist of the message. Go back and re read it.

GUMP - It was Wicked good to meet you the other day. Small world isn't it.

 

[RedBelly]

This next contract better be good or there's gonna be a sucking sound.

What sucking sound would that be? Pilots quitting to go to work at 7-11?

 

[dimly lit]

in response to nasty girl

You wanted to know why barely-do-nothing-managers make 100k a year and don't get laid off, while us pilots suffer. I splain it to you. Pilots are basically excitement junkies that can't do anything else because they are addicted to the job. Managers tried flying and couldn't figure out why people would beat themselves up so much to do such a sucky job. In other words they couldn't fly worth sh*t. Since they did not catch the flying bug themselves they were able to cooly evaluate the "big picture" and figure out that you wouldn't make squat being a pilot, but you could make a bundle managing pilots. Further, since they cannot figure out why flying is fun they do their best to make it not fun. Just a theory of mine and I know that there are exceptions, mainly the people at the company I currently work for.

 

[sparticusflt]

I gotta say this about coming to work for Netjets or any other fractional out there or company for that matter. When you go and interview with an organization you find out as much about it as possible. For me it was talking to every EJA pilot I saw out on the cape or islands or whereever I could find them. Get the big picture. I was lucky a few years ago and knew what I was getting into. I knew the pay was not the upper end, and things were not perfect but could get better. If you didn't know that the gig was gonna be hard before you got here, then the pilot is clueless. I flew the ultra and now I fly the 800. I've had lots of hard days, but I wouldn't say they were hard, I'd say it was a challenge. Flying for an airline would be far to boring for someone like me. Fracs keeps my mind resonably active, and the change keeps things interesting.

I read another post about dirinking on the road and what good is an overnight if you can't have a beer with your dinner. What the F#(*$ over? If you need to have a beer with your dinner or your life is not gonna be the same then maybe you should re-evaluate your life and your goals and character for that matter. I love beer and all its fluid friends. But on the road you are property of NJA. You should have known that when you were hired. This isn't the same game as the airlines, never has been and never will be. I just hope in the next contract that we have a minimum rest period of atleast 12 hours or more. Not for the bottle to throttle rule but to get more rest.

Life on the road for NJA. I believe you make the most of it, if your lucky to get a long island overnight you take advantage of it and appreciate it all the more. If your stuck in TEB on a 10 hour turn and have a dawn patrol the next day, well then thats just life at NJA. DEAL WITH IT!

If after a year you don't like the job and its to hard for you and the company has all these problems, and you can't have a beer with your meal, and the training department is all messed up and the customer service part of the job is such a headache, and the flying is so tough, and middle management no bodies make more money then you, and you have a small pecker and your girlfriend is fat, and your losing your hair and starting to fantisize about doing animals, then maybe you should just QUIT THE F'N JOB!

Or be patient and vote for the next contract by actually using your brain, instead of whatever your using when you post on this board.

This is dedicated to the m.92 dude on the top of this page and to his gripe about life on the road.

I also wasn't trying to offend anyone that actually likes to fantisize about animals or actually do animals. To each his or her own.

 

[gump88]

and your girlfriend is fat,

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm..........whats wrong with fat chicks???? I like em all!! hehe

gump

 

[CCDiscoB]

Slight Over Reaction

Some of you civilians crack me up. You guys take life a little too seriously. Nice job hiding your weak response from a topic in another thread in this thread. Are you afraid of hammered by responses? You totally pissed me off with what you wrote. Do you really think that guys can’t do without a beer at dinner? Of course we can. It was a simple @#$%en question about the length of layovers. Are you saying you never had a beer with dinner, you f@#$en hypocrite? Who the hell do you think you are saying that I need re-evaluate my goals and character? Guess what, stop-loss is over, all of my military buddies are coming to work with you. It won’t take long for us to find the “tool in the shed,” and when you apply with a major, the word will be out.

 

[NJA Capt]

Re: Slight Over Reaction

Some of you civilians crack me up. You guys take life a little too seriously. You totally pissed me off with what you wrote. Do you really think that guys can’t do without a beer at dinner? Are you saying you never had a beer with dinner?

I'm not sure which one of you two overreacted more.
CC, you kind of contradicted yourself. You said you COULD go a week without drinking which is what he was talking about in the first place. So what's the deal?

You would think, that seeing 4 fellow aviators in handcuffs in the last three months that guys would lay off for a while. Keep this up and there WILL be a pilot shortage.

 

[gump88]

Re: Slight Over Reaction

Some of you civilians crack me up. You guys take life a little too seriously. Nice job hiding your weak response from a topic in another thread in this thread. Are you afraid of hammered by responses? You totally pissed me off with what you wrote. Do you really think that guys can’t do without a beer at dinner? Of course we can. It was a simple @#$%en question about the length of layovers. Are you saying you never had a beer with dinner, you f@#$en hypocrite? Who the hell do you think you are saying that I need re-evaluate my goals and character? Guess what, stop-loss is over, all of my military buddies are coming to work with you. It won’t take long for us to find the “tool in the shed,” and when you apply with a major, the word will be out.

Hey CC!

This link's for you.

http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/

Cheers,

gump

 

[mrvmo]

Lighten up Francis.................Oh I mean JP11!!!

 

[gump88]

You're right JP. I bet he is a much better pilot than me. Heck, I am not even qualified to carry his flightbag.

gump

 

[sparticusflt]

Re: Slight Over Reaction

Some of you civilians crack me up. You guys take life a little too seriously. Nice job hiding your weak response from a topic in another thread in this thread. Are you afraid of hammered by responses? You totally pissed me off with what you wrote. Do you really think that guys can’t do without a beer at dinner? Of course we can. It was a simple @#$%en question about the length of layovers. Are you saying you never had a beer with dinner, you f@#$en hypocrite? Who the hell do you think you are saying that I need re-evaluate my goals and character? Guess what, stop-loss is over, all of my military buddies are coming to work with you. It won’t take long for us to find the “tool in the shed,” and when you apply with a major, the word will be out.

What the hell are you smokin? I wasn't after you by any means. If you read who I was posting my message to then maybe you would understand. I wasn't trying to seperate the military from civilian or do any crap like that. Me say I've never had a beer with dinner or don't enjoy beer or all the other liquid flavors? What the f'ck are you thinking. Sounds like you might have to take your lithium perscription up a notch. Goto your happy place.

Where the hell are they finding these people?