Does AF UPT student time count for SWA?

[Falconjet]

Airline Job Aspirations

If you have ANY interest in getting an airline job when you get out of the military you should be logging your time in a logbook yourself. You should also review it once in a while to make sure it jibes with your AF Form 5 if you have one. You can add the sortie correction as you go if you log it yourself or you can try to add it all up later on in life. It would be a heck of a lot easier to just keep a real time log (esp with computer programs so easy now) as you go with your signature at each year or month or some other duration to vouch for your times. Its not that hard to do. Figuring out which time to log and how, however, seems to be quite a source of debate.

tkr-toad: I don't think the AF folks are biased, I just think often readers get confused when AF folks generalize their AF experiences by saying "military" instead of "AF". They sometimes assume that the way they did it in the AF is applicable to any military pilot, but its not. No big deal, just a point of order perhaps.

YeOldeProp: Yes the CG was in the DOT, but were incorporated into the new Dept of Homeland Security last year. Still the same service (I think), but no longer having to battle the FAA for funds through the DOT. Most Coasties think that is a change for the better.

FJ

 

[Snoopy58]

Situation: crew airplane, real Air Force (not UPT / FTU), and the copilot is getting a checkride. The evaluator is in the left seat; no other pilots on board. How is the left seater's time logged?

EP.

Who had the A-code? The guy logging EP time. Is that EP time legit PIC time? You bet.

Use some fraction of your EP time if you really want to (but, see below, last paragraph), but AF flight records don't differentiate between "EP standing" and "EP in the seat with the A code" time. I'm reasonably confident that SWA won't be concerned if you count ALL your EP time as PIC for their purposes.

If you're still bothered by it, consider it as "payback" for all the "A-code but not in the seat" OTHER time that you can't count!


YeOldeProp -- your long post above, I think you transpose "PIC" with "Primary" and "SIC" / "Secondary" in a couple of places.

Also, nowhere does SWA reference a "take 10% (or any other number) off" factor for MP time that your weren't the A-code. In the same vein as not "inventing" fudge factors to increase your time, I don't think there's any point in arbitrarily applying fudge factors in decrease your time.

Conservative method, I agree to leave off the UPT time (though I'd check with the P.D. on that), but use ALL your MP pri/sec and IP and EP time, with the .3, no discounts. That's the most standardized approach, and puts everybody on a level field, which is what SWA wants.

Cheers!

 

[mig1f16]

Turboprop/jet time?

My apologies for being slightly off the subject, but can someone please explain what SWA is looking for in the "turboprop/jet" section? Is it prop time they want (in my case zero), or do they want turbojet time as well (fighter and trainer time)? Thanks!!!

 

[Cyclone]

hmmmm

I'm going to go out on a limb here.

My instinct is that SWA would probably not have a problem with someone who asks questions if they're not sure how something works. There's no such thing as a stupid question.

I do think they'd have a problem with meanspirited people though...just my gut.

 

[tkr-toad]

Amen!

 

[mig1f16]

turboprop/jet time

O.k...my apologies...definite miscommunication with the verbage...no offense intended for those prop drivers out there...I just am not sure what SWA wants in that blank that asks for turboprop/jet time...I don't have prop time, but I do have turbojet time...also the very next blank is one for fighter/bomber hours (which is where my turbojet hours come from)...soooooooo...am I o.k. to put the same time in both blanks? any thoughts/advice is greatly appreciated!

 

[shootr]

Turboprop/jet vs fighter/bomber

Talked to LL last week for some friends and her answer to the military turboprop/jet vs. fighter/bomber goes as follows....

Turboprop/jet = C-130, P-3, KC-10, S-3, C-5, C-141, U-2 and ALL A/C that start with a "T" (T-34, T-45, T-2, T-38, T-1). Obviously, this is not the all-inclusive list, but basically, everything that's not a fighter/bomber.

Fighter/bomber = F-14, F-16, F-18, B-1, A-10, etc. Didn't ask if B-52's fit into this list but it starts with a B, so go figure!

Good luck all,
shootr

 

[Tweetdrvr]

Ok, this is a little sarcastic, but I have to ask.

When I am sitting at my desk while the student is flying solo after flying the previous sortie with me, can I take that as PIC or does it go into God's logbook?

Flame Away

 

[Bake]

tweetdriver, Would you feel right taking that time as PIC? What would you say if an interviewer asked you the question you asked above? Answer your own question as if you were the one giving the interview and there you will find your answer.

Bake

 

[Spur]

When I am sitting at my desk while the student is flying solo after flying the previous sortie with me, can I take that as PIC ... ?

Only if you're the SOF... He's always the PIC.

 

[Tweetdrvr]

The light just clicked on, I have an even better idea, I can sit SOF on sunny days when the sky is full of at least 12 solo's and get an hour of PIC time for each one of them. I may never fly again. My new station in life PERMA-SOF!!

 

[llowwelll]

I ran the question of what to do with UPT hours by Lindsey Lang. Here is what she had to say: "For UPT time just
go ahead an reflect it in your total time, but not in the individual
aircraft breakdown." Hope this helps clear things up!