Do AirTran Pilots have the BALLS to take off there Hats?

[Wesb737fo]

Pants
Off
On
Tuesday

 

[Ty Webb]

Management is not going to be impressed, they're just going to yawn and assume it's business as usual.

Not this management group. Wait and see.

I'm predicting the reaction will either be disproportionate, juvenile, and ill-advised; or met with forced silence.

Either way, it will result in even more pilot unity.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Not this management group. Wait and see. They can't help themselves . . . I'm predicting the reaction will be disproportionate and will result in even more pilot unity.

Are you referring to more pilots recieving time off?

 

[SSDD]

Here's the real question: Is the suspended guy coming back with full back pay, and anything he may have lost during the suspension? If yes, then NPA is doing its job, and this show of unity is worth it. If not, then they're just disguising their impotence. Then this is just a diversion from the one issue that really matters.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here's the real question: Is the suspended guy coming back with full back pay, and anything he may have lost during the suspension? If yes, then NPA is doing its job, and this show of unity is worth it. If not, then they're just disguising their impotence. Then this is just a diversion from the one issue that really matters.

Couldn't disagree with you more. . . . talk about faulty logic.

The NPA is doing exactly what they should do. Pay-protect the pilot, publicize the incident through press releases and notification to the pilot group, using the incident to galvanize the pilot group, and displaying unity through informational picketing and a hats off week.

All of the above, during an election to bring ALPA on the property . . . . perhaps you have some better ideas . . . can't wait to hear them, I'm sure they're really stellar.

 

[Eagle757shark]

I have been receiving phone calls from all over the country (some in the industry and some not) about our press release regarding the FO that was suspended. Everyone that I have talked with is amazed and shocked that AirTran management would behave this way. People not in the airline industry that work in management positions at other companies have said to me it is important your union unite and work together. All interpreted the press release as AirTran having a hostile work environment. This is getting the attention of people all over the country. Now it is time to bring this to the attention of the shareholders.

 

[Murphy]

Copy dat!!!

 

[rajflyboy]

Don't you think you should layoff all those dead weight training instructors you have first???

That would be a good start to making Air Tran a fun place to be. No more nazi training peeps would help.

 

[A-V-8]

Taking your hat off makes you look unprofessional.

I don't even have a hat. Does that make me unprofessional?

 

[The Victors]

Given your publicly stated surrender on the SWAPA TA, you shouldn't be throwing stones. At least the AirTran pilots had the sack to vote down a $hitty TA in 2006... and have the hostages to show for it.



Me thinks you need to STFU. NPA/ALPA are taking a first step in the right direction while SWAPA's got a lot of 'splaining to do over the events of the past year they were complicit in (PHL deice incident, UFlyMike cockup, etc).

If you could understand english and read then you'd understand that my post wasn't a surrender. If you would like to start a new tread comparing union accomplishments then I'm ready. Believe it or not, dumba$$, I want you airtran guys to do well. We all need to do better and attempt to bring this industry back.

 

[SkiFishFly]

sigh Yes, I know about unity. But once again, it misses the point when half the pilot group has not worn the hat for years anyway. Management is not going to be impressed, they're just going to yawn and assume it's business as usual.

I think Coach might just have a coronary...

Now if we all got together and wore some two-toned golf shoes with our uniform...

 

[Nindiri]

Well, if we're going to do it, let's do it right. A lame attempt with some pilots participating, some not participating, and some not even aware of what's going on is worse than if we did nothing at all.

 

[njcapt]

If you could understand english and read then you'd understand that my post wasn't a surrender. If you would like to start a new tread comparing union accomplishments then I'm ready. Believe it or not, dumba$$, I want you airtran guys to do well. We all need to do better and attempt to bring this industry back.

I'll let the other viewers this thread decide who the dumba$$ is.

Wow we're spoiled here at swa. I think some of you guys need to take a deep breath and look around for a momment. What ever happened to being THANKFUL to have a good job, especially in the current enviroment? Is this TA perfect? No. Is it probably the best we can do right now? yes? maybe? One thing I can tell you is voting this down will change things only for the worse. GK is committed to this codeshare crap. Nothing will change his mind. He is to scared to let us attempt it. That sucks, but it's a fact, and he's the boss. The company will not come back to the table to "make things right" and we will end up in the hands of a judge. How do you think that will turn out?? Maybe this is good enough for now and we can try again in 2 years when the industry isn't in the crapper. btw, I'm a FO and this is screwing my career too. I expected to upgrade in 6ish years and 4 more years in the right seat is depressing, but things change.
p.s. "starving lance captains"?? are you kidding me? 200K is starving?? If you are a lance captain and have a life dependent on that parttime captain salary then you're a idiot. I personally dont like the program and will be happy to see it reduced.

Your knowledge of the RLA is pathetic. The only way SWAPA will end up in front of a judge is if SWA declares bankruptcy and you'll have other things to worry about if that happens. Unfortunately, weenies such as yourself make the prospect of self help (which is dictated by the RLA) extremely unlikely if continued negotiations bog down.

By the way, if you possessed basic observation skills you could see that I don't work for AirTran anymore. Also, your spelling and punctuation need improvement.

 

[ATLplt]

Don't you think you should layoff all those dead weight training instructors you have first???

That would be a good start to making Air Tran a fun place to be. No more nazi training peeps would help.

Which ones would those be? Are you talking about the couple of line guys that everyone complains about constantly or avoids altogether, or are you talking about the retired guys?

Just asking since you seem to know so much about our company.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Which ones would those be? Are you talking about the couple of line guys that everyone complains about constantly or avoids altogether, or are you talking about the retired guys?..

Interresting twist. Can't teach or too tough on rides?

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

Screw the hats, dump the jacket

Hats are one thing, but ditching the leather jacket would send a stronger message. We all know how much they (or any pilot) like those leather jackets. I digged mine in a previous life. Good Luck!!

 

[Max Powers]

So whats the word??? Everyone has their hats off? Any reaction from the Mgmt types?

 

[PCL_128]

So whats the word??? Everyone has their hats off? Any reaction from the Mgmt types?

I heard from a friend that was working this morning that he couldn't find a single AirTran guy in the C concourse with his hat on. Seems to be going great!

 

[Lear70]

Watch out for the "nice shoes"... LMAO!!

 

[twepilot]

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[eaglesview]

I heard from a friend that was working this morning that he couldn't find a single AirTran guy in the C concourse with his hat on. Seems to be going great!

Great, It's been going swell for us at UAL as well. Months later we still have no hats...we showed them. that's why we got......oh yeah we got nothing. Go ALPA

 

[jonjuan]

Obama would be proud.

 

[DonVerita]

Obama would be proud.

You're right...he would. And McCain would be furious. Glad Obama won.

 

[Max Powers]

You're right...he would. And McCain would be furious. Glad Obama won.

I give that a big second......What a difference with him at the G-20 compared to Bush. Amazing what a real leader with common sense, intelligence and a creative imagination can do!

 

[Max Powers]

Great, It's been going swell for us at UAL as well. Months later we still have no hats...we showed them. that's why we got......oh yeah we got nothing. Go ALPA

Yes I agree....There is more to improving your contract than the hat issue. But for us it is a good start for showing some solidarity. United has other issues as well which I think ALPA is address as best they can.

 

[Kenney G]

Maybe I was there a little too early. I saw more pilots with there hat on than with it off. Mine was off but a little disappointed in the rest.

 

[Lear70]

Did you mention it to them?

 

[Grybrd]

Maybe I was there a little too early. I saw more pilots with there hat on than with it off. Mine was off but a little disappointed in the rest.

I can't stand it anymore:
(sorry)

there - adverb 1 : in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally


their - adjective 1 : of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>


they're - they are

 

[mrebuck]

I saw a few in BWI with their hats on.

 

[eaglesview]

Did you mention it to them?

There is an option. We had a "hat wearer" who was approached about his hat. He next claimed he had been harrassed and was too upset too fly. Pilot who approached him got fired. But wait that's when ALPA stepped in and got him his job back....No that's incorrect, he is still fired, they did what they do best Nothing. GO ALPA