Disgruntled furloughed Midwest pilot accuses "regional pilots" being inferior airmen

[WayBack]

To me as horrible as it may be to say, he has a point.

This coming from Mr. Make Believe Gulfstream pilot.

 

[BFE]

This tool should be brought up on ALPA Article [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]VIII charges.

As for anyone else who is jumping on the bash commuter pilots wagon....How much experience did these guys have that crashed good airplanes?

FedEx 1478
American 587
FedEx 14
American 965
Southwest 1455
Delta 1141
Northwest 255

And, how many J4J (US Airways) pilots who came to PSA couldn't make it through training?[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[ePilot22]

There no secret that regionals are flying mainline size jets on former mainline routes for regional pay.

Yes, blame it on mainline pilots giving up scope, but the fact remains, there is a pilot group willing to fly mainline size jets on mainline routes for drastically lower pay than in the past. For management, it makes great business sense.

I don't want to blame anyone. I want everyone to accept that they all play a part. I don't believe there is a mainline pilot now that wouldn't have flown a "mainline size jet" on a mainline route for a regional for regional pay when they had 1000TT. If they say they wouldn't they're lying. For them now to blame regional pilots is BS! I'm flying a jet because they were above it at a major, but they would have flown it 10 years ago at a regional if it existed.

Besides, what is a "mainline size jet"? 50 seats, well not according to mainline pilots. 60 seats? 70 seats?

Why is it determined by the number of seats? Why not gross weight or type? How about the number of departures done each day by a crew?

How about turboprops? 74 seats? It seems to me mainline pilots determine what mainline size jets are not management.

I'm sure SkyWest didn't tell United they were going to buy jets and operate them. I'm sure SkyWest didn't tell mainline pilots they were above flying such little jets.

But I am sure that if we all keep bashing each other and only looking out for ourselves this industry will get better, oh yeah, much better.




eP.

 

[kf4amu]

Besides, what is a "mainline size jet"? 50 seats, well not according to mainline pilots. 60 seats? 70 seats?

Mainline pilots determine that with their scope, I would guess.

They give it up in order to keep their jobs, so management can farm that flying out to lower paid pilots to lower costs so they can get investor money to "restructure" or come out of bankruptcy or whatever. It makes great business sense! Lower costs!

The problem is the unintended consequences of pushing the experienced pilots out of the profession (60 percent of the USAir pilots that were offered recall...who incidently would have been furloughed again had they accepted recall) has made it less safe.

You dont have that with normal cost cutting measures at most businesses. Lowering labor costs at a sugar refinery doesnt affect safety by pushing out the experienced workers. Cut the UAW's salary like the airlines, and you may have a mass exodus of experienced workers, but you dont have cars and trucks falling apart on the interstate killing people.

 

[WayBack]

Blame ALPA. They screwed it all up by trying to represent both majors and regionals.

 

[Poahi]

SOURCE: Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/39999982.html

One of the nasty little secrets that the airline companies don't want the traveling public to know is that although the ticket was sold as a Continental Airlines flight, the actual company doing the flying was Colgan Airways of Manassas, Va.

That nasty little secret is printed on every boarding pass and website where the tickets are sold.

Of course, the results are quite predictable when the combined flying experience aboard most mainline air carriers is greater than the combined ages of those flying at regional air carriers.

Capt. Scott B. Kaley

By far, the worst airline disaster in history was piloted by a 12,000 hour pilot with KLM. He was also a training Captain. The other pilot of the other aircraft involved in the accident had 21,000 hours. In the case of KLM 4805, it was the less experienced FO that tried to talk him out of doing the takeoff. Around 500 people died.

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1736.shtml
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[saab fixr]

excuse me but dont most main line pilots start out as regional inexperianced ones? or do you high time guys just start flying big stuff right out of the box? cant imagine other then bitterness why someone thats supposed to be in a faternity of brothers would say anything so degrading. seems like he's on a crusade to try and ruin the jobs for the few who still have one!! Get a Life, sad to think that someone has to say crap about others because he is furloughed. Although true it may turn out that the buffalo flight could have been handled better or differantly but have some simpathy for those who died. Even those experianced pilots make mistakes as quoted serveral times by others but am sure the fine Capt. failed to mention that when he was ranting to the news media.

 

[flyboyike]

excuse me but dont most main line pilots start out as regional inexperienced ones?

No, mainline pilots are born in a double-breasted suit.

 

[BoilerUP]

The problem is the unintended consequences of pushing the experienced pilots out of the profession (60 percent of the USAir pilots that were offered recall...who incidently would have been furloughed again had they accepted recall) has made it less safe.

Flawed logic.

How many of those 60 percent declining recall do you think really left aviation?

Now many of them went to FedEx, UPS, Southwest, ATA, World, Polar, Emirates, Delta, NWA, AirTran, JetBlue, Spirit, USA3000, kept their J4J job at Republic, got hired by a corporate operator or a fractional like Netjets, started instructing at FlightSafety or even went to America West?

If anything, the "experience" those pilots brought to the profession has been spread further around aviation...actually making it safer.

 

[dooork]

There no secret that regionals are flying mainline size jets on former mainline routes for regional pay.

Yes, blame it on mainline pilots giving up scope, but the fact remains, there is a pilot group willing to fly mainline size jets on mainline routes for drastically lower pay than in the past. For management, it makes great business sense.

The fact is...yes,there is a pilot group that is willing to pick up flying another pilot group gave away.

Another fact is..."mainline" pilots work for drastically lower pay.

 

[flyslow24]

The biggest mistake we are making is managment is winning. All this "infighting" we are loosing out.


Instead of working together we acuse each other of inferior airmenship. Very professsional. BTW did you know they are calling it the MIRACLE on the hudson.

 

[Smarta$$]

To me as horrible as it may be to say, he has a point.

Agreed. That does not mean that Regional=unsafe and Major=safe. But experience does count for something.

 

[rustypigeon]

This guy probably commuted on Piedmont or ASA to get to HHH. Wonder if he thinks the same about us every time he was sitting in the back...

My thoughts exactly. Just looking at the Piedmont MDT base, there are 48 Captains. If you are in the top 7, you were hired in the 1970's, if you are in the top 31, you had to be hired in the 1980's.

Even Sully, with all his years of flying, would be number 8 out of 48 Captains. Would this be enough to get holiday vacations and weekends off? Depends on the month I guess.

 

[Flyin2low]

I suppose that Kaley is going to have a tough commute out of HHH from now on.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I guess if the pinnacle of my career was being furloughed from flying a DC-9 I'd be pretty disgruntled too. I remember reading lots of outlandish letters and articles after the Comair crash a few years ago as well. What can you do really.

The first officers at Midwest that are still flying are making over $100/hour. The captains are making $153/hour. The Republic pilots that are replacing them make significantly less. First Officers topping out at $37/hour with captains making around $70/hour. Midwest was a decent company that paid decent wages. These unfortunate pilots are watching their jobs be replaced with lower paid, less experienced pilots. I do not agree with his assault on the Colgan crew, but his message is true. He just didn't go about it in the best way possible. I wish some of you Republic 170 pilots would take your head out of your ass (wow, I can say "ass" on this board) and understand that the only reason you have that flying is because of your pathetic wages.

 

[Popeye0537]

The first officers at Midwest that are still flying are making over $100/hour. The captains are making $153/hour. The Republic pilots that are replacing them make significantly less. First Officers topping out at $37/hour with captains making around $70/hour. Midwest was a decent company that paid decent wages. These unfortunate pilots are watching their jobs be replaced with lower paid, less experienced pilots. I do not agree with his assault on the Colgan crew, but his message is true. He just didn't go about it in the best way possible. I wish some of you Republic 170 pilots would take your head out of your ass (wow, I can say "ass" on this board) and understand that the only reason you have that flying is because of your pathetic wages.

O boy if it isn't the Republic hating cheerleader......


Hockey you are the biggest ********************tard, why don't you come out to MCI so I can shove my foot up your ass sideways, I know it will fit after all that man lovin you've been doing.

 

[WayBack]

O boy if it isn't the Republic hating cheerleader......


Hockey you are the biggest ********************tard, why don't you come out to MCI so I can shove my foot up your ass sideways, I know it will fit after all that man lovin you've been doing.

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Donkey Punchin

It's exactly what you're doing to the rest of the industry, without given the common courtosy of a reach around.
But hey, it's all about you getting in some "heavy" time.

 

[WSurf]

I think most people in the industry are aware Piedmont doesnt move anywhere...including the pilots. He probably knows our Captains (and some FOs) have more experience than anyone he flies with.

Well, as a Piedmont Captain and flying in and out of HHH a bunch, I will be looking for this numbnuts when he does (hopefully not) get employeed and if I do give him a ride he'll get a hear full from me.

But then again, I guess I will just leave him in HHH since we aren't experienced enough for him.

What a douchbag...... I think over half our Captain have more hours then this dude.

 

[damnflyboy]

Idiot. When you get recalled (or should I say IF you get recalled) good luck riding my jumpseat.

 

[BigPappa]

Was Midwest not a regional airline itself (or used to be)? This guy was basically bashing himself. Weird........