Discussion: Leather Uniform Jackets

[snine3departure]

Well we dont wear them at awac, though some people want them. I wear the trech coat in winter, blazer in spring and fall. I guess for me leather might be much easier to wear and lug around commuting so I would probably sport it if the wanted us to. However, I bring a fleece to wear on overnights. I would never wear that stupid trech coat outside of the airport and I would not wear a stupid leather jacket either. I do not need to advertise what I do. O ya by the way...thanks ALPA for your hard work in our arbitration making AWAC still one of the top places to be.

 

[Homer Jay]

Oh, I'm scared. Please don't call me....."THE LEATHERS"

Don't worry we ( leathers) will not catch you dead.

Oh man, you TOTALLY got me!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Here is info...judge if you feel qualified....

PILOT STORIES: William Hopson

Air Mail Service Began:April 14, 1920Air Mail Service Ended:September 3, 1927Total Hours Flown:4043.25Total Miles Flown:413,034Assignment:College Park, Maryland April 17, 1920 – Newark, New Jersey October 1, 1920 - Omaha
One of the best loved and most colorful airmail pilots was William "Wild Bill" Hopson. Before his years as a pilot, Hopson had driven a taxi cab in New York City. "Wild Bill" began flying airmail on April 14, 1920 and left the service when airmail was transferred to private companies. During his years as a Post Office Department airmail pilot, Hopson logged over 4,000 hours of flight time, covering 413,034 miles.
When private companies took over America's airmail service, Hopson signed on with the National Air Transport company, flying Contract Airmail Route #17 between New York and Chicago. Hopson died while flying the mail over that route on October 18, 1928.

PILOT STORIES: William Hopson
Three days after "Wild Bill" Hopson was given his first assignment as a pilot at the College Park, Maryland airfield just outside of Washington, D.C., he was transferred to the field at Newark, New Jersey.
Like most of the airmail pilots, "Wild Bill" often had one eye on the mail and another on his flying time. On September 18, 1920, Hopson flew out of Cleveland, Ohio at 2:10 p.m. He noticed the wind was with him more than usual, and saw that he had a chance to make a speed record. Flying at 10,000 feet, Hopson rushed with the wind to Hazelhurst Field, the New York airmail station, where he landed 3 hours, 1 minute later. He chopped 49 minutes off the last record, and was well ahead of the regular traveling time of four and one-half hours for the 452-mile trip.
On October 1, 1920, Hopson was transferred to the Western Division. He had requested the transfer to the Chicago - Omaha route, and he subsequently wrote to Superintendent D. B. Colyer on October 11, thanking him for the new assignment. Colyer, no doubt, hoped that "Wild Bill" might tone down his wild ways on the new route. Colyer had already scolded Hopson in July for making stunts in airmail airplanes. "I have heard numerous reports of your stunting mail ships," Colyer wrote on July 23, 1920. "This is absolutely against regulations and further actions of this kind will merit disciplinary action. Do you not realize that the mail service is a business proposition and everything that is not done in a businesslike manner cannot be tolerated?" Despite the scolding, the tone of the letter was a friendly one.
Hopson made a second speed record while flying in the Western Division. On a flight from Omaha to Chicago, he flew a de Havilland airmail airplane at a then-astounding speed of over 140 mph. He made the 440 miles to the Maywood Field in Illinois in three hours and six minutes. The previous record had been three hours and twelve minutes.
Hopson's popularity with his fellow pilots and management helped him sail through dozens of forced landings without the reprimands and demerits that other pilots would have accrued. In 1926 alone, Hopson made at least 13 forced landings, all of which were signed off on by field managers and superintendents as acceptable. Most of the forced landings were brief landings in which Hopson was forced to wait for better weather or to find his way in low visibility. On November 24 of that year, he was flying his de Havilland, #614 when his top engine cowling came unfastened. Hopson landed, fixed it himself and took off again in 20 minutes.
On September 19, 1925, Hopson's old de Havilland airplane #351 was destroyed in a forced landing near Massena, Iowa. After a storm hit the airplane in flight, stopping his motor, Hopson came down on a piece of land owned by John Martin. When he landed, Hopson tore through a strip of corn field 50 feet wide and 100 yards long. The airplane cracked up on this rough landing, with only part of the tail section recoverable. On another occasion Hopson was criticized by an airmail supervisor for not landing on an airmail field because cows were grazing on it. Hopson flew on to the next field. His choice, the supervisor said, should have been instead to have circled the field, giving the ground crew time to shoo the cattle off the field.
After the airmail service was transferred from the Post Office Department to commercial aviation companies, Hopson went to work flying for the National Air Transportation company on his old Cleveland-New York route. On October 18, 1928, the 38-year-old pilot was killed near Polk, Pennsylvania while flying from New York to Cleveland shortly after midnight. Of the 1,000 pounds of mail Hopson was carrying, only 10 pounds could be salvaged from the burned wreckage. The clock on the instrument panel had stopped at 2:17. Among the mail Hopson was carrying was a large shipment of diamonds, which along with Hopson's fame as a pilot, brought the crash a considerable amount of public attention.
The New York Times reported, that "Mrs. Jeanette Hopson, estranged wife of the flier, said that Billy had expressed the wish that his body be returned to Omaha for cremation, and that he had insisted that she herself take his ashes and scatter them from a airplane."

William C. "Big Bill" Hopson
He joined the U.S. airmail service on April 14, 1920, and helped set up the transcontinental airmail line. He took part in the momentous non-stop transcontinental flight, February 22 and 23, 1921, but was stranded by a snowstorm in Chicago.
Courtesy of Smithsonian Institution Libraries

 

[rfa]

Real pilots wear leather jackets - nuff said.

...and AAslag, nice profile picture.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Here is info...judge if you feel qualified....

Great story, makes me feel like I was in the cockpit with Big Bill. He's lucky I wasn't, else I would have put the choke on him! Don't you have any other dime-store comic book heroes to go idolize?

 

[Saabslime]

Those who trash talk the leather are just jealous because you probably work for a company that doesn't pay you enough to afford one. Leather jackets and aviation have gone hand in hand since the birth of aviation. You guys who are worried about style probably sport rainbow stickers on the back window of your miata to. Let it go already

 

[bige2000]

who let you tools out of the shed, hamos

 

[CoATP]

Along with the leather jacket, one must not forget the Ray-Bans and the white sik scarf. and b.t.w. you can hitch up your undies just a bit too tight and walk with a "certain" swagger. Them's that can DO, them's that can't TEACH, and them's that can't teach LOOK GOOD.

 

[Booker]

Don't care dude. Within the guidelines I'll wear whatever I want.

Are you sure you're talking to me, or did you mean to address PCL_128? I agree with you all the way, amigo. My boss says I can choose between the leather or the blazer/trench combo. If someone doesn't like one or the other, they can take it up with the union or the chief, because I don't care, either.

Frankly, I'm more worried about maxing out my 401(k) and such, because I'm sure when I'm in a hospice bed with tubes sticking out of me because in 2023 they discovered that sani-wipes actually cause cancer, I won't be saying, "Dam, I should have worn the trench coat..."

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are you sure you're talking to me, or did you mean to address PCL_128? I agree with you all the way, amigo. My boss says I can choose between the leather or the blazer/trench combo. If someone doesn't like one or the other, they can take it up with the union or the chief, because I don't care, either.

Frankly, I'm more worried about maxing out my 401(k) and such, because I'm sure when I'm in a hospice bed with tubes sticking out of me because in 2023 they discovered that sani-wipes actually cause cancer, I won't be saying, "Dam, I should have worn the trench coat..."

Sounds more professional to worry about your pilot groups 401k than which approved uniform they are wearing... noted!