Did NJI get a raise?

[Guitar rocker]

When it's all said and done, we all work for the same guy. So, we really ought to treat one another and show respect for each other as well, right??? Well, you RTRHD, have shown your true colors by saying that you NJI guys would never work for less than 30K. That and what a disrespectful and selfish attitude it is to imply that you would have gotten a raise a while ago if the company wasnt messing around with our union/contract. Well, excuse me there, but I guess that puts you in a class above everyone else, or so you may think. Grow up kid and quit being so arrogant.

Last but not least, the guys that I know at NJI are nothing like you and your giving your fellow pilots a bad name with your attitude. What a dis-appointment and embarrassment you are.

 

[RTRHD]

The I side guys did not go to work for < 30,000 a year. We would have got our raise sooner if the company was not messing with the unions.

I was responding to a reply about working for free. My responce is true. I have only spoken the truth here. Granted from my perspective. The Frac model uses lower pilot saleries. So pilots uses fracs as a steping stone to the airlines or whereever. But now there is nowhere to go.

To qualify as a NetJets Aviation (Citation, Hawker, Falcon, Gulfstream 200, Boeing aircraft) pilot candidate you must have the following prerequisites:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

So KMA GR

 

[Guitar rocker]

I was responding to a reply about working for free. My responce is true. I have only spoken the truth here. Granted from my perspective. The Frac model uses lower pilot saleries. So pilots uses fracs as a steping stone to the airlines or whereever. But now there is nowhere to go.

To qualify as a NetJets Aviation (Citation, Hawker, Falcon, Gulfstream 200, Boeing aircraft) pilot candidate you must have the following prerequisites:

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

So KMA GR

Who cares about flight time requirements.......those requirements have been around for some time. If your suggesting that our flight time mins are lower than NJI's and implying that as a result this is a stepping stone, then how would you explain the fact that UAL's min's were 300TT? There's no where to go ya say??? How about FedEX, CO, JetBlue, SWA.......where in the world have you been???

The issue that I raisesd is the fact that we are basically working together for the same man. Dont take cheap shots at us by saying that YOU wouldnt work for less than 30K (or imply that 30K is "working for free".......are you that much better than everyone else here?) or the fact that, as you said, you would have gotten a raise long before if the company didnt have to mess around with our union/contract. That has to be the most selfish thing that I have heard coming from anyone, let alone one that works for essentially the same team.

KMA???.......you do what you gotta do, but I dont need to spell acronyms out like that for anyone here.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Making $94,500/year

Hey Goofy,

Disney World called; you’re late for work! Try comparing figures that matter…

Enlighten us please and answer the following:

What was your 1st year pay at NJA?
And your 2nd?
And your 3rd?
And your 4th?
And what did you make as Captain, oh, I don’t know… 4 months ago?

I’ll reiterate my claims, My salary is 2nd year F.O. pay, (I did $69,000 my 1st year) and what’s in your contract for a 2nd year Class 4 F.O.?

Hum, who’s licking the lollypop now?

 

[DO-82 driver]

Hey Wolfpack...you're Stilled Underpaid For What You Do.......

And For What You've Done In The Past For NJI.....

And The Sham-meister Still Sold You Guys Out!!!!!!!

And you just got what you got because of US!!!!!!

You're Welcome My Friend!!!!

 

[G4dude]

Hey Wolfpack...you're Stilled Underpaid For What You Do.......

And For What You've Done In The Past For NJI.....

And The Sham-meister Still Sold You Guys Out!!!!!!!

And you just got what you got because of US!!!!!!

You're Welcome My Friend!!!!

I should feel oppressed by the ruthless Capitalist Pigs, but I don't! What's wrong with me? We at NJI should be miserable and angry and...Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains! If DO-82 had no told us how bad we have it, we would have never known! My eyes have been opened! The fog has lifted! Hallelujah!!! By the way, our raise was delayed by several years because of the shenanigans of the Teamsters and their lapdog pilots at NJA.

 

[gunfyter]

I think Wolfie did pretty good for only flying 195 hours.

I would have made over $250K if I got his flight hourly rate.

 

[hydrarkt]

For a GV FO with:

• 2nd year base salary of $73,500
• work less than 6 months/year
• excellent benefits

I'll be a sucker any day.

Thank you. You proved my point. You have NO idea what a FO or a CPT flying a GV is worth!! You think that because you make $73,500 that you shouldn't be paid OT??? What is the hourly occupied fee of a GV?? I'm guessing at least $5000. On a 15 hour flight alone that's $75,000. And yes, I know all the costs that go along with the hourly fee. But your $73500 is a drop in the bucket to these people.

 

[buttercup]

Thank you. You proved my point. You have NO idea what a FO or a CPT flying a GV is worth!! You think that because you make $73,500 that you shouldn't be paid OT??? What is the hourly occupied fee of a GV?? I'm guessing at least $5000. On a 15 hour flight alone that's $75,000. And yes, I know all the costs that go along with the hourly fee. But your $73500 is a drop in the bucket to these people.

Dont waste your breath. Some people are just happy being a slave to others and having no concept of their' self worth. The worst is the agony they put their' families through for so little. I'd never go away from home seven days in a row with a family that is just sick. I don't understand why they dont demand maximum compensation to do it. But then again they are flying a jet yipee!. Ask the pilot that has a business on the side, or is making alot of jack doing something else those people tend to have the greatest concept of reality. The downhill spiral of a once proud industry continues. Even pharmacists and dentists limit their' pipelines better than pilots do.

 

[FLYLOW22]

By the way, our raise was delayed by several years because of the shenanigans of the Teamsters and their lapdog pilots at NJA.

You sir are correct. It is harder to raise the bar than to merely benefit from it's height.

 

[hydrarkt]

Dont waste your breath. Some people are just happy being a slave to others and having no concept of their' self worth. The worst is the agony they put their' families through for so little. I'd never go away from home seven days in a row with a family that is just sick. I don't understand why they dont demand maximum compensation to do it. But then again they are flying a jet yipee!. Ask the pilot that has a business on the side, or is making alot of jack doing something else those people tend to have the greatest concept of reality. The downhill spiral of a once proud industry continues. Even pharmacists and dentists limit their' pipelines better than pilots do.

Thank for agreeing with me. I must admit though, that I am a pilot that goes away for 7 days. I do like the schedule. However, I'm single with no kids. My pay isn't bad but I fought for it. I will also fight for more. And like you, supplement my income with another business. It just amazes me that people have no idea how much a particular job is worth or the money that is generated from their labor.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

What was your 1st year pay at NJA?
And your 2nd?
And your 3rd?
And your 4th?
And what did you make as Captain, oh, I don’t know… 4 months ago?

Hum... I hear crickets.

Buelller? Bueller?

Still waiting for an answer...

 

[DO-82 driver]

Wolfpack......I'd be the first one to say that we at NJA were grossly underpaid for a very long time......For this I am not proud.

I will then say that less than one year of Strong Union taking the helm we are now the industry leaders in pay and the outline for NJI to come under the fold of Local 1108 having been established.....For this I hold my head high and proudly state that I took part in aviation history.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Hum... I hear crickets.

Buelller? Bueller?

Still waiting for an answer...

Wolfie, you and some of your brothers on flightinfo have stated that they wouldnt be caught dead working for less than 30K a year and that 30K is basically working for free. And at the same time, you guys here have said that if it wasnt for us "lapdog" pilots and our contract issues, that you guys would have gotten your raise a long time ago. How selfish to say!!! Some of you guys are truly in a class above everyone else, arent you???? Do-82 is right, a starting FO was getting 200$ less a year than the kid that was taking our crew food orders not to mention that a BBJ FA was making more than a second year CA here as well. Yah, we were grossly underpaid and you whine and complain because a raise which you could have gotten earlier (so you say) was held up by our union issues. And now some of you have had the audacity to say the following: that our "union's pitiful salary for Class 4 FO's is probably going to prevent the NJI FO's from getting enough to by a snack" (quote courtesy of your njanjoflexflipflop or whatever it is kid). You dont even know what is going to be offered to you and here you are already complaining and whining and assuming that what little you do get is our fault. I would say that is selfishness and ignorance at it's finest.

The good guys that I know at NJI have a different thought process and are not cheap, selfish and ignorant as some of you here.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Just to clear up the issue a little bit, as announced a few days ago:

1. All NJI crewmembers are now on the 7 and 7 schedule;

2. After March 1, all vacations will be dropping a tour for 21 consecutive days off;

3. Overtime calculation will be based on 45 duty days per quarter;

4. ONLY CAPTAINS will receive a pay "adjustment" which will be awarded on an individual basis and notification will be by mail (still waiting for the letter);

5. Neither First Officers nor Flight Attendants (and boy, are they pissed) will receive a raise under the plan (there may be some backpedalling down the road on F/A pay)

Analysis: Any effort to organize NJI pilots early is now officially DOA. Given what just happened, the flight attendants are more likely to organize than the pilots (and that will never happen). In addition, for DO-82 and the rest who still believe single-carrier is a done deal, the Captain raises and schedule enhancements are clearly aimed at keeping NJI a non-union shop and RTS obviously intends to fight that battle when it comes. We'll all just have to wait several years for the answer.