Did JBLU a320 land with 1000 pounds fuel?

[buttercup]

This message is not meant as flamebait so please dont take it that way. I was in a hotel business center dressed in civvys and there were two JBLU pilots in civvys as well. They were talking about how recently one of their A320s landed with 1000 pounds of fuel on board and both pilots were fired. The CVR was pullled and they talked about "ditching it in the lake by Buffalo" if they ran out of fuel. ANy JBLU guys care to elaborate on this, I tend to believe the validity of this as the pilots were talking about it in somewhat detail. Can any JBLU pilots elaborate or care to elabortae?

 

[Inconceivable]

Wow. I would fire uniformed crew members for talking about something like that in public. (If such were true) Talk about judgement!

 

[SWA/FO]

You can't pull the CVR unless there was an accident, right?

 

[Rogue5]

A CVR cannot be used in a certificate action unless there is an accident, but I know for certain of management (not JBLU) downloading the data off both the CVR and the FDR to examine a little closer certain "unusual" flights and have used that as background information to act on in seeking a PIC's termination.

Not how its supposed to happen, I know, but it does happen...

 

[shon7]

This message is not meant as flamebait so please dont take it that way. I was in a hotel business center dressed in civvys and there were two JBLU pilots in civvys as well. They were talking about how recently one of their A320s landed with 1000 pounds of fuel on board and both pilots were fired. The CVR was pullled and they talked about "ditching it in the lake by Buffalo" if they ran out of fuel. ANy JBLU guys care to elaborate on this, I tend to believe the validity of this as the pilots were talking about it in somewhat detail. Can any JBLU pilots elaborate or care to elabortae?

What's your concern -- that they should not have been fired?

 

[embpic1]

You can't pull the CVR unless there was an accident, right?

I know they can be pulled for an incident as well.

 

[buttercup]

What's your concern -- that they should not have been fired?

No because they were saying that the Captain on that flight was the same guy who made national headlines for the great landing in LAX with the side-lodged nosewheel. I don't like to see anyone get fired this industry is tough enough, I'm just curious as to if anyone knows the real story because pilots have a tendency to exaggerate!

 

[j41driver]

I'm just curious as to if anyone knows the real story because pilots have a tendency to exaggerate!

So might as well as a bunch of pilots then.

 

[dlredline]

No because they were saying that the Captain on that flight was the same guy who made national headlines for the great landing in LAX with the side-lodged nosewheel. I don't like to see anyone get fired this industry is tough enough, I'm just curious as to if anyone knows the real story because pilots have a tendency to exaggerate!

Relax, it's total fantasy. No one's landed with 1k, no one's been fired, and that pilot is fine and busy flying the line as usual.

Red

 

[ultrarunner]

I didn't seen anything onine in the BUF paper about an emergency being declared. It's hard to believe with that little amount of fuel they WOUDN'T HAVE DECLARED...but wouldn't believe they'd have gotten down to 1000 lbs of fuel either.

Something is not right here. I haven't flown the A320, but I would think 500 lbs a side is very close to imminent flame out

 

[ultrarunner]

You can't pull the CVR unless there was an accident, right?

I believe the airline can pull the CVR at their discretion provided the CVR is NOT under the jurisdiction of the FAA or NTSB as would be the case in a reportable accident or incident.

With the former, I can't imagine the CVR wouldn't be used in an investigation to potentially terminate a pilot.

As previously mentioned, CVR data cannot be used in any type of "certificate" action. Termination is another matter.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Another smuck yelling fire in a crowded theatre just to see what happens.

 

[radarlove]

According to a friend, JBLU had a similar incident when they were brand-new, maybe a JBLU'er will post the details.

It involved overflying JFK.

 

[Pan1900]

I believe this to be true. I heard of this story but I heard of it two years ago while I was doing type training at Pan Am academy. I over heard that one of their instructors (Pan Am) was involved with this incident. Which meant he was fired & now working at Pan Am Academy in Miami. I believe he used to work at Mesa.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

It happened in 2000 while the airline was in its infancy. And it was a little over 2000# not 1000. They also diverted to BUF from JFK and were led to believe the airport was going to open up sooner rather than later, and it didn't-- held way too long and instead of a suitable SWF/ROC/SYR alternate, the only good airfield was BUF... They sent both pilots to MIA for additional training, and the pair failed to show any progress in diversion techniques and descision making qualities among other issues. Since then, the airline has fired 3 more pilots-- One after 9/11 when a further background check showed he lied about several events in life, one for faillure to pee for a drug/alcohol test, and one for inappropriate behavior. 5 in 6 years, that's a miniscule number when compared with the rest of the industry.

 

[wndshr]

According to a friend, JBLU had a similar incident when they were brand-new, maybe a JBLU'er will post the details.

It involved overflying JFK.

oh yeahhhhhhhh....i remember there was that one flight that left OAK to BOS back a few years back...it was a redeye and a LONG flight...no winds! apparently, both pilots fell asleep and overflew BOS by a few hours...woke up and saw lots of water...no problem...they diverted and landed safely in Dublin. they reconnected all pax on a shamrock a330 and sent them all booked first class sleeper seating to BOS. they then received the ALPA superior airmanship award for landing in Dublin with 150# per side. see they would slip the a/c left and right on final to keep enough gas going into the engine to keep it from flaming out...amazing example of airmanship i must say! a year later they got the nobel prize for customer service by reconnecting those pax in sleeper seats back to BOS!

 

[B-atch]

Hey.....I was JSting on that one!!!!

 

[32LT10]

I don't doubt the 1000lb landing. Heck that is a ton of fuel in a Cessna and based on the experience level they probably thought they had plenty

 

[J32driver]

I don't doubt the 1000lb landing. Heck that is a ton of fuel in a Cessna and based on the experience level they probably thought they had plenty

How many times do we have to tell you... don't be bitter, just reapply in 6 months

 

[JBFlyer]

I don't doubt the 1000lb landing. Heck that is a ton of fuel in a Cessna and based on the experience level they probably thought they had plenty

You sir, are a classless moron. That's all I have to say about that.