Delta to Drop CHQ?

[General Lee]

Uh Huh. It only takes the top 51% to sell the bottom 49% up the river. Ask a USAir guy. Betcha the other half of those captains change their mind on that when approached with further paycuts and/or displacements to a smaller airplane. But, what do I know?

2300 of those really senior, loyal, Captains just retired. Everyone left has been touched by scope in the last 5 years.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

We all sound the same? Maybe there's a reason...

In other news: Here's your answer Gen, in the level of detail a regular old line pilot knows: SAPA reps are paid a min guarantee by the company. I don't know exactly how it works but I think its something like a reserve pilot guarantee of say, XXX hours (I don't know the exact number). If you fly the line/travel for work/attend meetings in excess of that guarantee, you get paid the extra. I am not certain of exactly how it works, but it is along those lines.

Feel free to address any of my or other's questions/points to you in a return gesture. At least attempt to before continuing the witch-hunt...

Thanks Mookie, I mean Rogue5.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ilinipilot]

Spare in SLC will not solve any problems, what happens when a plane breaks in LGA fly one out there from SLC. I dont think so. I dont like having the spares in IND or CMH either but the are closer to everything including UAL ops if we need one there.

 

[SlapShot]

A DAL painted aircraft does not due us any good for the United operation.

If there is a DAL painted spare, it does no good sitting on the ramp in CMH. The generic painted airplanes SHOULD be the spares whenever possible, but that does not seem to work out.

 

[Illinois]

General,

SAPA
My understanding is two people in SAPA are paid 105H/month to do the association stuff, and rep's are paid line values or company business(4/day) whichevers greater when doing SAPA stuff.

50-99 SEAT RATES
This was pretty dumb. Many voted in favor of this a few years ago because it was believed flying would otherwise be lost. It was implied by management, and sold by some vocal SAPA types that it would only be 18 months.

POST 18 MONTH PERIOD
Offer of 1.2% raise for EMB-120 and CL-65(200-900), and if memory serves the 100+ scale would have been eliminated. The proposed scales were overwhelmingly turned down by the pilot group. I think we are trying to correct the mistake made last time. Do we get any point's for that? There isn't any pilot I've talked to that wants to drive the 900 in any configuration without a good increase in pay. As for the 1.2 offered before...probably will not be made again.

I think where you and I disagree is that you are predisposed to the management vs. labor mentality. You want everyone to be equally pissed, scared, and uncertain. I know...you'll be plenty happy in the left seat of the mad dog, and your wife is hot. It's a drag what you guys are faced with in ATL. SKYW isn't the place it was a few years ago either, but I don't think the management at my company is evil. Jerry Atkin & Ron (Insulated) Reber got Skywest the best contracts from United and Delta they could. Is it SKYW's fault for asking to be covered on fuel or your rock star managers for agreeing to it?

Later.

P.S. Does your wife have any sister's?

 

[General Lee]

Illinois,

Thanks for the response. I understand it was a good business deal, for SkyWest only. But, that is what they are supposed to do, get good deals. Ron "Insulated" Reber, though, likes to brag aloud that high fuel doesn't bother him, while his major partners are getting killed. Then he brags how well SkyWest is doing, when at the same time he could give his employees difference pay for larger aircraft--something everyone else does, except Comair now that they had to follow your lead. I am not mad at you per se', rather what your whole group did as a whole, which was change the landscape of negotiations for the Regionals. Jetblue did the same thing for 100 seaters, of course their pilots did not set that rate, their management did. Nevertheless, now everyone has to start with the Jetblue benchmark when negotiating for anything close to 100 seats. SkyWest set the benchmark for one pay rate fits all jets up to 99 seats. And your "association" sounds like it is closely tied to management---with the pay and 100+ hours a month pay for the leaders. It just sounds like a strange relationship. IF you lost that 1.2% pay raise because of the proposed 100 seat rate combined with your last agreement, then good for you. That is a step in the right direction.

And yes, my hot wife has two sisters---one just graduated from USC, and the other is a nurse in NYC.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JJs Cantina]

A DAL painted aircraft does not due us any good for the United operation.

If there is a DAL painted spare, it does no good sitting on the ramp in CMH. The generic painted airplanes SHOULD be the spares whenever possible, but that does not seem to work out.

I saw a united CHQ painted airplane (with the united stickers torn off) flying the delta system, and for quite some time. So dont tell me the paint job dictates where a plane is sent.

 

[sleddriver77]

2300 of those really senior, loyal, Captains just retired. Everyone left has been touched by scope in the last 5 years.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So THAT's why everybody's being recalled!!!

 

[SYX328]

We do have a bunch of generic 145/135's floating around generally as spares. Also to cover charter ops. Our generic planes are pretty much just blue and white.

 

[Illinois]

General,

It wasn't just a good deal for Skywest. Delta gets something out of it! Maybe it was an ok deal for Delta. Maybe it was the best of the worst. But I'd bet my salary against yours that your managers would do it again. I doubt Delta's board would sign-off on something that only produces gains for another entity. It is disingenuous to imply otherwise.

Reber brags about the fuel agreement? Have you heard him speak during anything besides an investors call? I haven't. What would you expect him to say when institutional investers ask him about how fuel prices effect SKYW? You need to quit trying to stir up a hornet's nest with this "bragging" stuff. That's what a successful company does during a conference call, big guy!

What regional did you work for? How long were you there?

 

[Illinois]

My apologies to everyone for the hijack.

I don't think CHQ is going to paint over the Delta colors anytime soon.

 

[joe_pilot]

Sorry, but where is the general wandering off to?? Did he get lost along the way! LMAO! Sorry, but after reading the above, I couldn't get past that to read the rest of your post!
737

Yeah, I know what you mean 737. Kind of like when you misspelled miserable in this post, huh? Miserible?

I can't tell by your post if you're being a d1ck, or honestly were caught off guard by it and it made you laugh. If you were just laughing and not trying to give PBR a hard time, then I am way off base and apologize.

If you're being a d1ck, well, then bite me.

Poor grammar and bad spelling drive me crazy too, but if someone makes a small mistake, but is otherwise making a clear point (whether I agree with it or not) I’m not going to call them on it.

You people amaze me sometimes. When you can’t win on substance, you go for a technicality? 737, I don’t know that you care one way or the other about this thread, but how smart is it to laugh at someone for misspelling a word when you did the same thing. The FIRST of your posts I searched contained the error.

Once again, if you were just laughing and not trying to give PBR a hard time, then I am way off base and apologize.

Ok, I’m done now. Man, I gotta get some sleep.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Doesn't Mesas ontime/completion stink?

Yes


PHXFLYR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Oh don't worry, Mookie already reemed me for stating that the "union" or association is NOT appointed by management. I got it. But, I do have a question that Mookie never did get back to me with an answer. Who pays for those "association" leaders? ALPA pays our MEC members when they skip trips for union work. What about your association? Who pays them? I am really curious. Also, do they get a lot of credit time, or in other words, are they compensated well? I, along with every ALPA member pay for Duane Wuerth and his cohorts. Who pays for your association leaders? Just curious!!!! And, I have a great attitude, and I love the job. Tootles, and please answer the question.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Welll,
gEneral tootles, SAPA is funded by SKYW INC. Are you suprised, I do not think that you will find many senior guys who will disagree, we get exactly what we pay for and managment gets exactly what they pay for. Are you suprised at this revelation? Oh yes, the "leaders get 105hrs of company money to deliver managments decrees, the "reps get their line credit when they are conducting the companies business, for the company, the entity that pays for their services. Any other questions?
PBR

 

[FlyingDawg]

Just heard from CHQ peeps that mother Delta is looking to drop CHQ due to costs. Not sure if this is the real deal or not, but word around the crewroom is that Bedford is going to ATL next week to negotiate rates and future business.

Anyone else heard this?

Then why is CHQ expanding service to ATL in MAY?

Just a few of the many addition in MAY:

ATL-MSY
MSY-ATL
MSY-DCA
DCA-MSY
ATL-CMH
CMH-ATL

Check dlnet if you don't believe me.

BB is in ATL on 2/28 to exand the codeshare. CHQ to open ATL base soon.

The new rumor is DL wants RAH to purchase Comair with Skywest type protections included. BB not very interested in Comair unless the CRJ700 can be transfered to ASA/SKYW, reduction in CRJ200 fleet and RAH gets longterm 170/190 rights at DL. Hows that for rumors?