Delta to announce SLC--Paris nonstop

[Heavy Set]

Delta Airlines to announce non-stop flights from Salt Lake City to Paris

Last Update: Aug 1, 2007



SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - You may soon, for the first time ever, be able to fly from Utah to Europe without stopping!

Several sources now tell ABC 4 News that Delta Airlines will soon unveil a non stop flight from Salt Lake to Paris.

For years, it seemed like this European non-stop route would go from here to London.

But from what we're being told, it will instead be Salt Lake to France instead.

It's tempting to say that Delta would pick a non-stop to Paris because of the romantic allure of France.

But according to our sources, it may have been picked more for economic reasons.

We're being told that Delta will use the Salt Lake airport to Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris.

This instead of the Heathrow Airport in London.

Paris is considered by some to be a better Delta hub than London.

Also, flying into Paris is said to gives travelers better access to the rest of Europe and others parts of the world.

Reportedly, these flights may not start until next year.

And while it might be a long flight - more than ten hours it could open the doors to both international trade or business and to tourists.

Not only might this international route bring money to the airport and Salt Lake, it could also protect Delta's presence in Salt Lake by making the city an even stronger Delta hub.

As for Delta, a spokesperson said that the airline may have an announcement in a couple of weeks.

 

[Truckdriver]

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[EMBpilot]

Guys,
On Delta's site the interactive route map shows 5 destinations in Europe directly connected to SLC (if you click on SLC).
But if you try to book a reservation it'll show at least one stop.. Just a bad map?

http://delta.innosked.com/

I heard there is a 75/6 base in SLC. Where do they go?

Thanks

 

[HomerJ]

As long as it's not another destination from JFK, more power to them...

 

[Heavy Set]

Guys,
On Delta's site the interactive route map shows 5 destinations in Europe directly connected to SLC (if you click on SLC).
But if you try to book a reservation it'll show at least one stop.. Just a bad map?

http://delta.innosked.com/

I heard there is a 75/6 base in SLC. Where do they go?

Thanks

I think their SLC base has a domestic 757/767 base. Any international flying would be done with NY or ATL based 767ER pilots, maybe with a 6 day trip from one of those to CDG, over to SLC, then back to NY or ATL I would think. I have friends at each on of those international bases and one of them told me of the above scenario.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Does the "romantic allure of France" appeal to the Mormons in SLC?

 

[Heavy Set]

Does the "romantic allure of France" appeal to the Mormons in SLC?

Maybe the large Skyteam hub there with connections all over Europe, Africa, and Asia. There are plenty of Mormons all over the world. Also the skiing is probably better in SLC (Park City) than most of Europe, since last year was terrible.

 

[i fly boxes]

is this going to be flown on the 900?

 

[Heavy Set]

is this going to be flown on the 900?

Apparently there are a few routes in ATL that will move to JFK (nonstops to Edinburgh, Scottland for example) freeing up 767-300ERs (the new 757ERs will do some of those flights from JFK) for new flights, like the proposed SLC--CDG. I bet it will be a money maker. It will also allow connections to places like Jackson Hole, Sun Valley, Aspen, and Steamboat Springs for rich Europeans. CDG is a huge hub for the Skyteam alliance.

 

[PuffDriver]

haven't heard this one.

What I have heard:

2 757ERs have arrived. They will be put into service in domestic configuration initially--probably some Hawaii, then will enter international service starting Jan 1. 13 of them will be up in JFK doing UK, western and northern Europe. Perhaps even some new cities--thin cities.

JFK-Tel Aviv will be announced.

Delta is expecting to be awarded ATL-Bejing, and perhaps Shanghai as well as part of the contingency of Bejing. Should be official sometime in Sept.

Fleet of 777s will double in the next 2-3 years. Also looking at some existing 777s from other carriers. Definitely 4 777s next year coming. Cairo is a candidate.

100 seater a problem. No good options. 737-700 lite version is being worked on with boeing. Derated engines, certain equipment left off to make it perform similar to emb a/c with same type rating.

Negotiations continue to acquire 13-23 or 24 md 90s in next couple of years as a stopgap 100 seater in exchange for rjs.

10 737-700s for sure starting to arrive 1 year from now. Total of 32-33 a/c over next 2-3 years

 

[Bill Mostellar]

I think their SLC base has a domestic 757/767 base. Any international flying would be done with NY or ATL based 767ER pilots...

Could easily be a 767-400 out of LAX or ATL.

I wish you success!
William
AKA Bill
Former Moderator

 

[Heavy Set]

haven't heard this one.

What I have heard:

2 757ERs have arrived. They will be put into service in domestic configuration initially--probably some Hawaii, then will enter international service starting Jan 1. 13 of them will be up in JFK doing UK, western and northern Europe. Perhaps even some new cities--thin cities.

JFK-Tel Aviv will be announced.

Delta is expecting to be awarded ATL-Bejing, and perhaps Shanghai as well as part of the contingency of Bejing. Should be official sometime in Sept.

Fleet of 777s will double in the next 2-3 years. Also looking at some existing 777s from other carriers. Definitely 4 777s next year coming. Cairo is a candidate.

100 seater a problem. No good options. 737-700 lite version is being worked on with boeing. Derated engines, certain equipment left off to make it perform similar to emb a/c with same type rating.

Negotiations continue to acquire 13-23 or 24 md 90s in next couple of years as a stopgap 100 seater in exchange for rjs.

10 737-700s for sure starting to arrive 1 year from now. Total of 32-33 a/c over next 2-3 years

ATL--PVG (Shanghai) was their first application, for March of 2008. They also have announced they would like Beijing for the 2009 allocation. (along with many other airlines) I think Shanghai is for 2008. JFK to Tel Aviv was already announced too. That starts next spring with a 767-300ER.

 

[The Victors]

yawn.

 

[Heavy Set]

yawn.

Great highschool response. You have nothing to add I guess.

 

[The Victors]

nope. I hear skybus is adding some new routes too. Should we discuss that also?

 

[CHQ Pilot]

100 seater a problem. No good options. 737-700 lite version is being worked on with boeing. Derated engines, certain equipment left off to make it perform similar to emb a/c with same type rating.

Isn't that a 737-600?

 

[Heavy Set]

Isn't that a 737-600?

Are they still making those? Why wouldn't have Southwest bought them if they were a good option? They dumped their 737-200s, and the 736 would have been a good option, but instead got all 737-700s. Maybe other airlines see the same thing. The operational costs are probably the same.

 

[Scrapdog]

Great highschool response. You have nothing to add I guess.

What do you want people to say? Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is wonderful!!!!!!!! Where do I sign up??????

Give me a break! Ok, you're going to Paris from SLC. CAL does that as well from EWR And IAH. AA does it as well from JFK and DFW. We get it, you're drinking the DAL propoganda kool-aid. 99% of folks traveling nowadays care about 1 thing - what is the cheapest ticket on orbitz? It could be CAL, DAL, AA, or Air Bangladesh.

Ok that's my "addition."

 

[767/757]

No - this is a 737-700 that has the before mentioned changes.

 

[regionalcap]

What do you want people to say? Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is wonderful!!!!!!!! Where do I sign up??????

Give me a break! Ok, you're going to Paris from SLC. CAL does that as well from EWR And IAH. AA does it as well from JFK and DFW. We get it, you're drinking the DAL propoganda kool-aid. 99% of folks traveling nowadays care about 1 thing - what is the cheapest ticket on orbitz? It could be CAL, DAL, AA, or Air Bangladesh.

Ok that's my "addition."

If you don't like it, then don't click on the thread. I am interested to hear these routes...as well as AA and CAL. Why so bitter?

 

[Heavy Set]

What do you want people to say? Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is wonderful!!!!!!!! Where do I sign up??????

Give me a break! Ok, you're going to Paris from SLC. CAL does that as well from EWR And IAH. AA does it as well from JFK and DFW. We get it, you're drinking the DAL propoganda kool-aid. 99% of folks traveling nowadays care about 1 thing - what is the cheapest ticket on orbitz? It could be CAL, DAL, AA, or Air Bangladesh.

Ok that's my "addition."

You sound like an idiot. I'll tell you what you shouldn't say--"yawn." That's stupid. And, I don't even work for Delta. A lot of good things are happening over there, and they are actually hiring now, which people on here may want to know about. Can 99% of the folks in SLC go to Paris nonstop on some other carrier? Maybe Delta or Skywest pilots would like to know that type of news so they can maybe nonrev someday over there. Your addition makes YOU look dumb.

 

[wabadoobie]

What do you want people to say? Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is wonderful!!!!!!!! Where do I sign up??????

Give me a break! Ok, you're going to Paris from SLC. CAL does that as well from EWR And IAH. AA does it as well from JFK and DFW. We get it, you're drinking the DAL propoganda kool-aid. 99% of folks traveling nowadays care about 1 thing - what is the cheapest ticket on orbitz? It could be CAL, DAL, AA, or Air Bangladesh.

Ok that's my "addition."

Scrapdog,

You forgot AA from ORD to Paris

 

[Scrapdog]

Scrapdog,

You forgot AA from ORD to Paris

LOL...sorry, I also forgot UAL from ORD to CDG.

That addition made me look smart.

 

[Scrapdog]

You sound like an idiot. I'll tell you what you shouldn't say--"yawn." That's stupid. And, I don't even work for Delta. A lot of good things are happening over there, and they are actually hiring now, which people on here may want to know about. Can 99% of the folks in SLC go to Paris nonstop on some other carrier? Maybe Delta or Skywest pilots would like to know that type of news so they can maybe nonrev someday over there. Your addition makes YOU look dumb.

Actually, no - you are the idiot. This is what you posted to me on 5/26/07 - right around the time of Memorial Day:

Maybe Gen Lee does enjoy his job, is that so bad? You love CAL so much you go out on Military leave when you can. Looks like you chose Iraq over EWR. Good choice.

Thankfully everyone saw what a moronic post you made and how absolutely haenious it was. Most folks scoffed the piss out of you after that here on FI - and with good reason saying I "choose mil leave when I can." You absolutely have no clue how many guys are sacrificing, no wait...I'm sorry - according to you "choosing" military leave when they wish so badly they could be flying an airliner back at home with their family. You have zero credibility in my book and I think I can safely say most folks on here lost complete respect for you.

My addition might have made me look dumb - but yours above made you look completely pathetic.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Does the "romantic allure of France" appeal to the Mormons in SLC?

It's Deltas western hub. Look at a route map genius and you will see why the flight will be filled. Maybe your too busy over there to notice anything constructive and positive in commercial aviation.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

No - this is a 737-700 that has the before mentioned changes.

Maybe I'm missing something. The -600 is a shorter NG that seats 110 in 2 classes (a little over 100 seats). It has derated engines (down to 20K). It does weigh more than a 190, but I would say that is because the 737 has a more robust design than Embraer. It also has the same type as the -700/-800. It hasn't been too popular because a -700/-800 have better economics since it has almost the same cost per hour except they carry more passengers.

Maybe you're talking about a -700 airframe that has 100 seats (like the CRJs that had 40 something seats for scope, but were identical in airframe to the 50 seats). I would much rather see a Boeing at Delta than Embraer. It just seems a stock -600 might fit the needs if you're looking for a roughly 100 seater with the same type as a -700.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Are they still making those? Why wouldn't have Southwest bought them if they were a good option? They dumped their 737-200s, and the 736 would have been a good option, but instead got all 737-700s. Maybe other airlines see the same thing. The operational costs are probably the same.

They may not be a good option, but my response was in regards to a "-700 lite" with the same type that performs like an EMB-190. If you're looking for the same type with approximately 100 seats (about 110) that performs like a 190, then the -600 is pretty close. As far as I know, the -600 is still an option to purchase, though I don't think many airlines have bought them.

SWA had the -200s before the -300s came on line. When the NG was designed, they opted for the -700 since it has the same capacity as the -300s and could be interchanged (all along knowing the -700s would be around a lot longer than the -200s). The only hiccup was the -500s which arrived in between the middle of the -300s and before the -700s. I have a feeling they may be going away soon since there are only 25 (out of 503) and they cause problems with interchanges ( they cause problems when you swap aircraft and it was planned for 137 and it goes to 122). You're right the economics of a -600 don't make sense compared to a -7/8/9 on CASM, but if you're looking for a common 737 type that has about 100 seats; that is how I came to asking if the -600 fits the bill.

 

[RJAA]

It's Deltas western hub. Look at a route map genius and you will see why the flight will be filled. Maybe your too busy over there to notice anything constructive and positive in commercial aviation.

Just because the flight can be filled with $499 RT vacationers that does not mean the flight is sustainable and profitable genius. It has been rumored that Delta has been asking a quite a bit of insentives from the city of SLC to make this work because they feel that it may be tough to fill up business class seats, trying to make it a relatively, risk free endeavour. We don't even know if it carries cargo from this high altitude airport especially hot summer days.

 

[Heavy Set]

Actually, no - you are the idiot. This is what you posted to me on 5/26/07 - right around the time of Memorial Day:



Thankfully everyone saw what a moronic post you made and how absolutely haenious it was. Most folks scoffed the piss out of you after that here on FI - and with good reason saying I "choose mil leave when I can." You absolutely have no clue how many guys are sacrificing, no wait...I'm sorry - according to you "choosing" military leave when they wish so badly they could be flying an airliner back at home with their family. You have zero credibility in my book and I think I can safely say most folks on here lost complete respect for you.

My addition might have made me look dumb - but yours above made you look completely pathetic.

My addition was hillarious. Thanks for supporting our country, but EWR is not the most desirable place to be on the planet, as I pointed out. There is a difference between being just dumb and ignorant, and being witty. I am the latter.

 

[Heavy Set]

Just because the flight can be filled with $499 RT vacationers that does not mean the flight is sustainable and profitable genius. It has been rumored that Delta has been asking a quite a bit of insentives from the city of SLC to make this work because they feel that it may be tough to fill up business class seats, trying to make it a relatively, risk free endeavour. We don't even know if it carries cargo from this high altitude airport especially hot summer days.

I guess the Delta folks don't have anyone looking at potential revenue sources? They don't look at routes to see if they could be potentially profitable? They probably are looking also for grants from the city of SLC (to ensure break even atleast) and are making sure any possible Skyteam connections could be met in CDG. I bet they are more ontop of this than you think. The have added more than 50 International flights this year, and most are still running I believe. If they don't do well, then I think they are gone quickly. And SLC is a fairly big hub for Delta, with plenty of connections available. I don't think it would only be filled with local Mormons. Hub to hub connections usually do well.