Delta talks to NWA for merger alternative.

[YourPilotFriend]

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

You mean 788.

 

[DTW320]

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

General,

NWA does fly Tokyo to Nagoya and back. Flights 77 & 78, B757

 

[Green]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

If I was a DAL pilot I would much rather merge with NWA too. NWA offers Asian routes 747's, lots of A330's, 787's on order and not nearly as many furloughed pilots. We at the new US Airways don't offer jack. We've got a few worn out 767's, a bunch of worn out 757's, and 9 A330's. Not to mention 1700 furloughed pilots many with 15+ years of seniority and a CEO who likes to act like mr. nice guy but he's just as cheap and unwilling to compensate his pilots as anyone at NWA. Profit margins at PHX and LAS are razor thin. I would think a DAL pilot would have to be crazy to pick LCC or NWA.

 

[General Lee]

General,

NWA does fly Tokyo to Nagoya and back. Flights 77 & 78, B757

The current Asian OAG does not list that at all. Here are the flights listed:

NH 3201: F50: Leaves NRT 1000--arriving NGO at1130am
JL3085 : 734: Leaves NRT 1620--arriving NGO at 1730
NH 339 : 763 : Leaves NRT 1910--arriving NGO 2020


So, that really isn't the case. Can NWA pick up passengers in NRT and take them to NGO? I doubt it. Flight 77 is a thru flight onto Saipan. It can stop there, but not take people to NGO for money.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AAbyDefault]

Ok, lets talk integration now..........I gotta get a beer for this one.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Delta merges with NWA...

nice history there...guess the Delta pukes will be locked off the 747's forever...

Hope you like the DC-9-30's General! Green Book, Red Book, Blue Book

This will be fun!!!

 

[Pat Fabin]

General,

Don't get so excited to fly someone else's airplanes...its bad taste and shows a lack of sensitivity towards our NWA brothers. Just like you wouldn't care for a 2001 hire at America West talking excitedly about putting in his 777 bid.

At least the NWA pilot group's career expectations and fleet makeup (heavy vs. narrowbody) are very similar to ours, plus make a reasonable route combination. If it comes down to it, I would think UAL'd make a better combination but as always, we're along for the ride.

Good luck to everyone, we're gonna need it. Hopefully the combinations that do happen don't involve layoffs....there's been enough of them for a decade or two.

 

[General Lee]

If I was a DAL pilot I would much rather merge with NWA too. NWA offers Asian routes 747's, lots of A330's, 787's on order and not nearly as many furloughed pilots. We at the new US Airways don't offer jack. We've got a few worn out 767's, a bunch of worn out 757's, and 9 A330's. Not to mention 1700 furloughed pilots many with 15+ years of seniority and a CEO who likes to act like mr. nice guy but he's just as cheap and unwilling to compensate his pilots as anyone at NWA. Profit margins at PHX and LAS are razor thin. I would think a DAL pilot would have to be crazy to pick LCC or NWA.

I would prefer, if it were up to me (and it is not), to go as a stand alone. The reason I think NWA would be a BETTER choice than USAir is because it is a better fit route wise (add a large Asia presence), hub wise (maybe MEM and CVG reduced to focus cities), and we would keep more assets, like the Shuttle and East Coast slots and gates. There would also be a lot less jobs lost.

We know NWA has a history of animosity between NWA employees and management, and besides our pilot group, we are non union. That culture shift would be interesting to watch....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[filejw]

BTW there is only one book now.

 

[General Lee]

General,

Don't get so excited to fly someone else's airplanes...its bad taste and shows a lack of sensitivity towards our NWA brothers. Just like you wouldn't care for a 2001 hire at America West talking excitedly about putting in his 777 bid.

At least the NWA pilot group's career expectations and fleet makeup (heavy vs. narrowbody) are very similar to ours, plus make a reasonable route combination. If it comes down to it, I would think UAL'd make a better combination but as always, we're along for the ride.

Good luck to everyone, we're gonna need it. Hopefully the combinations that do happen don't involve layoffs....there's been enough of them for a decade or two.

Pat,

Did you notice I said in 15 years? That was a joke. And, UAL's combo with us would involve a dismantling of SLC, since it is smaller and in between DEN and SFO.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

BTW there is only one book now.

huh? You mean Green and Red?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[filejw]

Delta and NWA could both do well as well run companies alone.But there are too many banker and investment types around and lots of money to be made in fees and such to let this one go.This is why I think a DA/NWA merger has a chance.I'm sure the idea for an NWA merger originated on Wall St and the US proposal came from PHX.
PS the only book left is blue.

 

[General Lee]

Delta and NWA could both do well as well run companies alone.But there are too many banker and investment types around and lots of money to be made in fees and such to let this one go.This is why I think a DA/NWA merger has a chance.I'm sure the idea for an NWA merger originated on Wall St and the US proposal came from PHX.
PS the only book left is blue.

By contrast, analysts believe that a Delta-Northwest combination would be far stronger: By matching Delta's strong European network with Northwest's powerful Asian routes, the combined carriers would potentially be more profitable than a combined Delta-US Airways. Vaughn Cordle, CEO and chief analyst of AirlineForecasts, a Washington (D.C.)-based consulting firm, estimates that a Delta-Northwest combination would have a fair market value approaching $12 billion—or $500 million higher than that of a combined Delta-US Airways. "A merger between Delta and Northwest makes the most sense," says Cordle. "It would produce more value than any other partnership out there, more than United-Delta, US Airways-Delta, or even United-Continental."

While Northwest officials declined to comment on the reports of a merger with Delta, Wall Street analysts say the Minnesota-based carrier signaled its willingness to partner up when it hired Evercore Partners (EVR) last December to explore "broad strategic alternatives" on its behalf. "Northwest would sell under the right terms," says Ray Neidl, an airline analyst for Calyon Securities in New York. "And strategically, Delta and Northwest are a good fit."

For one, analysts note that Northwest has an aging workforce that is poised to retire in coming years, making the task of cutting labor costs that much easier. "A lot of those Northwest workers are going to drop off the rolls," says Roger King, airline analyst for CreditSights, a New York-based institutional research firm. Delta management would also have a selfish reason for partnering with Northwest: It's likely that Delta executives would run the combined airline, and preserve its headquarters in Atlanta.

Bye Bye--General Lee​

 

[PCL_128]

Ok, lets talk integration now..........I gotta get a beer for this one.

Actually, this would probably be the easiest integration in quite a while. All of DAL's senior guys left with their lump sums (2000+ Captains bailed out), and as soon as NWA emerges from BK with their pensions intact, the senior NWA guys will be bailing also (probably 800+ pilots). The seniority lists would look very similar. No integration is easy of course, but this one would be much less contentious than AAA/AWA.

 

[My name is EARL]

I have heard that the ceo of aa has been going to min for the last couple of weeks.

 

[General Lee]

Any NWA guys want to comment about this?

How about that last sentence?


By contrast, analysts believe that a Delta-Northwest combination would be far stronger: By matching Delta's strong European network with Northwest's powerful Asian routes, the combined carriers would potentially be more profitable than a combined Delta-US Airways. Vaughn Cordle, CEO and chief analyst of AirlineForecasts, a Washington (D.C.)-based consulting firm, estimates that a Delta-Northwest combination would have a fair market value approaching $12 billion—or $500 million higher than that of a combined Delta-US Airways. "A merger between Delta and Northwest makes the most sense," says Cordle. "It would produce more value than any other partnership out there, more than United-Delta, US Airways-Delta, or even United-Continental."

While Northwest officials declined to comment on the reports of a merger with Delta, Wall Street analysts say the Minnesota-based carrier signaled its willingness to partner up when it hired Evercore Partners (EVR) last December to explore "broad strategic alternatives" on its behalf. "Northwest would sell under the right terms," says Ray Neidl, an airline analyst for Calyon Securities in New York. "And strategically, Delta and Northwest are a good fit."

For one, analysts note that Northwest has an aging workforce that is poised to retire in coming years, making the task of cutting labor costs that much easier. "A lot of those Northwest workers are going to drop off the rolls," says Roger King, airline analyst for CreditSights, a New York-based institutional research firm. Delta management would also have a selfish reason for partnering with Northwest: It's likely that Delta executives would run the combined airline, and preserve its headquarters in Atlanta.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyinScotsman]

I am a Delta guy and really......WHO CARES WHAT THE NAME IS!!

The General!

 

[NuGuy]

BTW there is only one book now.

Heh, that's a good one. The RBMC is still going strong while the GBMC has all but disbanded. To tell people that there isn't still RB/GB nonsense going on belies the truth.


See General, can't you feel the love all the way down in ATL?

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

Actually, this would probably be the easiest integration in quite a while. All of DAL's senior guys left with their lump sums (2000+ Captains bailed out), and as soon as NWA emerges from BK with their pensions intact, the senior NWA guys will be bailing also (probably 800+ pilots). The seniority lists would look very similar. No integration is easy of course, but this one would be much less contentious than AAA/AWA.

Heyas PCL,

Don't count on it. The POS contract was sold to the junior folk on the promise that that if it wasn't voted in, the pension legislation would be in jeopardy, and if it was voted in that 500 pilots would retire with the new early out clause.

Well, here it is POS+1/2 and barely 20-30 guys have taken early retirement. Some junior guys tried to find some senior guys to ask them about this, but they were all out campaining for the age 60 repeal.

I wouldn't count on ANY additional retirements from NWA ...

Nu

 

[General Lee]

Heh, that's a good one. The RBMC is still going strong while the GBMC has all but disbanded. To tell people that there isn't still RB/GB nonsense going on belies the truth.

I also hear that the senior part of the MEC tried to put the screw to the furloughed guys by cutting them out of their share of the claim award. Sweet!

See General, can't you feel the love all the way down in ATL?

Nu

I can't wait!!! Better than love from PHX and PHL.....


Bye Bye--General Lee