Delta talks to NWA for merger alternative.

[General Lee]

Entirely different set of rules for NWA's Pacific routes, and you know it GL.

To refresh everyone's memory, NWAs NRT routes, slots and 5th freedom rights are granted directly to NWA from the Japanese Government. Part of the rights are that they are NON-Transferable, and that the ONLY corporate entity that can operate said routes is NWA.

The Japanese government has stated MANY times that should NWA go away for some reason (liqudation, purchase, etc), that the routes, rights and slots revert to the Japanese governement, and WILL NOT be re-issued.

Think about it...NWAs current rights out of NRT is like ANA comming into ORD and flying international (and some domestic flights) with US Passengers...cabotage, in other words.

So while they MIGHT think about switching names...doubtfull since NWA is somewhat of a "household name" in Asia, it will be planes and pilots on the NWA operating certificate doing the flying.

Nu

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

Can you point out the domestic flights within Japan again.

And as far as the name goes, it will all be worked out by the lawyers. We will even serve Sushi!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[pb4ufly]

"Oberstar, the D from MN, also could be persuaded on this one, since NW is based in his district. What they say could sway Oberstar. That is one thing about AA taking over NW----Oberstar might not want his NW headquarters moved from his district to DFW, and a tie up with AA could cause one of those three hubs (MSP--ORD--DTW) to potentially close." GL

I agree with you. I believe an AA/NWA merger would trigger the demise of the MSP HQ and possible hub (given ORD, DTW).

NWA HQ is in Rep. John Kline's District (South Metro, 2nd); Oberstar has the Northland.

 

[jetflier]

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

Can you point out the domestic flights within Japan again.

And as far as the name goes, it will all be worked out by the lawyers. We will even serve Sushi!


Bye Bye--General Lee

Hi Gen,

Just a quick note on NWA in Japan. Did you know that NWA set up Japans , Japan Air Lines after WW2, and that is the difference between the PAA and NWA Japan deals..

 

[Otto77]

i can def see a NWA/DL combo as a much more viable solution than the current USScareways offer.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Sorry, General but I am sure the new airline would be named Northwest.

Giving up any rights in Japan would be a deal breaker because those are nonnegotiable. Even if NWA does not currently fly any domestic Japanese routes having the option to do so is priceless. Delta planes, people and routes are of inferior value compared to NWA Japan and Asian assests. Delta system can be restarted by anyone, NWA's cannot.

 

[formerdal]

I am a Delta guy and really......WHO CARES WHAT THE NAME IS!!

 

[Caveman]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

Thanks for that one. I just blew coffeee out of my nose and all over my laptop. Classic!

 

[General Lee]

Sorry, General but I am sure the new airline would be named Northwest.

Giving up any rights in Japan would be a deal breaker because those are nonnegotiable. Even if NWA does not currently fly any domestic Japanese routes having the option to do so is priceless. Delta planes, people and routes are of inferior value compared to NWA Japan and Asian assests. Delta system can be restarted by anyone, NWA's cannot.

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes, but can you say "Northwest 2 heavy" on the frequency?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The fifth freedom rights keep the cost of air travel in that region relatively low. If NWA were to dissolve the rights go immediately back to japan. This would open up price gouging for American passengers in that region.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

You mean 788.

 

[DTW320]

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

General,

NWA does fly Tokyo to Nagoya and back. Flights 77 & 78, B757

 

[Green]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

If I was a DAL pilot I would much rather merge with NWA too. NWA offers Asian routes 747's, lots of A330's, 787's on order and not nearly as many furloughed pilots. We at the new US Airways don't offer jack. We've got a few worn out 767's, a bunch of worn out 757's, and 9 A330's. Not to mention 1700 furloughed pilots many with 15+ years of seniority and a CEO who likes to act like mr. nice guy but he's just as cheap and unwilling to compensate his pilots as anyone at NWA. Profit margins at PHX and LAS are razor thin. I would think a DAL pilot would have to be crazy to pick LCC or NWA.

 

[General Lee]

General,

NWA does fly Tokyo to Nagoya and back. Flights 77 & 78, B757

The current Asian OAG does not list that at all. Here are the flights listed:

NH 3201: F50: Leaves NRT 1000--arriving NGO at1130am
JL3085 : 734: Leaves NRT 1620--arriving NGO at 1730
NH 339 : 763 : Leaves NRT 1910--arriving NGO 2020


So, that really isn't the case. Can NWA pick up passengers in NRT and take them to NGO? I doubt it. Flight 77 is a thru flight onto Saipan. It can stop there, but not take people to NGO for money.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AAbyDefault]

Ok, lets talk integration now..........I gotta get a beer for this one.