Delta talks to NWA for merger alternative.

[filejw]

The word I have heard for the last few months is a NWA managment with the Delta name. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[dtfl]

I've got a novel idea...how about Delta come out of BK and remain a standalone carrier.

 

[filejw]

dtfre....Nice but the Bankers/wolf's are at the door

 

[NuGuy]

The word I have heard for the last few months is a NWA managment with the Delta name. Don't shoot the messenger.

That may or may not be. NWAs Pacific routes depend on NWA being the surviving "corporate entity".

Nu

 

[filejw]

NuGuy ...True however changing a name does not mean a corporation has changed. These people although cruel are not stupid.

 

[General Lee]

That may or may not be. NWAs Pacific routes depend on NWA being the surviving "corporate entity".

Nu

Didn't United buy Pan Am's NRT hub and slots? They didn't have to name it "United Pan Am..." I think they can change names if they want to.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

dtfre....Nice but the Bankers/wolf's are at the door

Northwest needs this deal just as much as we do. If USAir actually got this going, the others would supposedly be allowed to merge.(The DOJ would have to if they allowed this mess to merge) UA and CAL get together, and possibly AA and NW. If AA and NW get together, there will be 3 midwest hubs---MSP, ORD, and DTW. One will probably have to go, and Southwest will be chomping at the bit. I bet it won't be ORD, so take your pick. Your headquarters would also go to DFW. So, in reality, we need each other. IF we merge, then most of the hubs stay put (CVG and MEM would become focus cities probably), we keep our East Coast Shuttle and pound USAir with it, and we replace your DC9s with E190s or 737-700s that Boeing would love to provide us with, along with a combined 787 order. We would become the biggest alternative to a combined CAL/UAL, which would be huge. AA would become a distant 3rd in size, and USAir would be puny. Parker would be looking around for another merger partner, and might do it with Spirit or USA3000. (He'll have the money from the banks to buy BOTH maybe!!!!--$10.3 Billion)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Hpilot]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

 

[General Lee]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

Huh? You bet I would. There is less overlap, which means less job loss. The hubs would remain, and we would be able to compete with a UAL/CAL combo. You have no clue what you are talking about. And, nobody wants to get mixed up with those senior USAir pilots. You should know that.


Trailer trash? Come on now. We look sharper than you do.


Bye Bye--General Lee


Delta Air Lines is once again up for grabs.

US Airways chief executive officer Doug Parker fired a second blast Wednesday by upping his $8.5 billion offer by 20%, offering Delta creditors $10.2 billion in cash and stock.

But at market close on Wednesday, Northwest and United (nasdaq: UAUA - news - people ) emerged as possible buyers for the bankrupt airline.

Both Northwest and United Airlines have both been in talks with Delta, reports Calyon analyst Ray Neidl who put out a note on the development late Wednesday. “These meetings have helped Delta’s creditors come to see a combination with Northwest as a realistic alternative to US Airways Group’s hostile takeover bid,” wrote the analyst

 

[NuGuy]

Didn't United buy Pan Am's NRT hub and slots? They didn't have to name it "United Pan Am..." I think they can change names if they want to.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Entirely different set of rules for NWA's Pacific routes, and you know it GL.

To refresh everyone's memory, NWAs NRT routes, slots and 5th freedom rights are granted directly to NWA from the Japanese Government. Part of the rights are that they are NON-Transferable, and that the ONLY corporate entity that can operate said routes is NWA.

The Japanese government has stated MANY times that should NWA go away for some reason (liqudation, purchase, etc), that the routes, rights and slots revert to the Japanese governement, and WILL NOT be re-issued.

Think about it...NWAs current rights out of NRT is like ANA comming into ORD and flying international (and some domestic flights) with US Passengers...cabotage, in other words.

So while they MIGHT think about switching names...doubtfull since NWA is somewhat of a "household name" in Asia, it will be planes and pilots on the NWA operating certificate doing the flying.

Nu

 

[General Lee]

Entirely different set of rules for NWA's Pacific routes, and you know it GL.

To refresh everyone's memory, NWAs NRT routes, slots and 5th freedom rights are granted directly to NWA from the Japanese Government. Part of the rights are that they are NON-Transferable, and that the ONLY corporate entity that can operate said routes is NWA.

The Japanese government has stated MANY times that should NWA go away for some reason (liqudation, purchase, etc), that the routes, rights and slots revert to the Japanese governement, and WILL NOT be re-issued.

Think about it...NWAs current rights out of NRT is like ANA comming into ORD and flying international (and some domestic flights) with US Passengers...cabotage, in other words.

So while they MIGHT think about switching names...doubtfull since NWA is somewhat of a "household name" in Asia, it will be planes and pilots on the NWA operating certificate doing the flying.

Nu

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

Can you point out the domestic flights within Japan again.

And as far as the name goes, it will all be worked out by the lawyers. We will even serve Sushi!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[pb4ufly]

"Oberstar, the D from MN, also could be persuaded on this one, since NW is based in his district. What they say could sway Oberstar. That is one thing about AA taking over NW----Oberstar might not want his NW headquarters moved from his district to DFW, and a tie up with AA could cause one of those three hubs (MSP--ORD--DTW) to potentially close." GL

I agree with you. I believe an AA/NWA merger would trigger the demise of the MSP HQ and possible hub (given ORD, DTW).

NWA HQ is in Rep. John Kline's District (South Metro, 2nd); Oberstar has the Northland.

 

[jetflier]

What Japanese domestic flights does NW do out of NRT again? None. They go to Guam, Saipan, Honolulu, Pusan, Guangzhou, Seoul, Bangkok, Taipei, Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Hong Kong, and the Continental US. From Nagoya and Kansai they do some Guam, some Seoul, etc, but no domestic Japan.

Can you point out the domestic flights within Japan again.

And as far as the name goes, it will all be worked out by the lawyers. We will even serve Sushi!


Bye Bye--General Lee

Hi Gen,

Just a quick note on NWA in Japan. Did you know that NWA set up Japans , Japan Air Lines after WW2, and that is the difference between the PAA and NWA Japan deals..

 

[Otto77]

i can def see a NWA/DL combo as a much more viable solution than the current USScareways offer.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Sorry, General but I am sure the new airline would be named Northwest.

Giving up any rights in Japan would be a deal breaker because those are nonnegotiable. Even if NWA does not currently fly any domestic Japanese routes having the option to do so is priceless. Delta planes, people and routes are of inferior value compared to NWA Japan and Asian assests. Delta system can be restarted by anyone, NWA's cannot.

 

[formerdal]

I am a Delta guy and really......WHO CARES WHAT THE NAME IS!!

 

[Caveman]

So let me get this straight, you'd rather merge with Northwest than US Airways. Boy, you are are one dumb, uninformed, trailer trash, clueless mother f@er.

Thanks for that one. I just blew coffeee out of my nose and all over my laptop. Classic!

 

[General Lee]

Sorry, General but I am sure the new airline would be named Northwest.

Giving up any rights in Japan would be a deal breaker because those are nonnegotiable. Even if NWA does not currently fly any domestic Japanese routes having the option to do so is priceless. Delta planes, people and routes are of inferior value compared to NWA Japan and Asian assests. Delta system can be restarted by anyone, NWA's cannot.

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

That may be true, indeed. But, I would rather have a NWA merge than a USAir takeover. And in 15 years, I would love to fly the 744!

Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes, but can you say "Northwest 2 heavy" on the frequency?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The fifth freedom rights keep the cost of air travel in that region relatively low. If NWA were to dissolve the rights go immediately back to japan. This would open up price gouging for American passengers in that region.