Delta staffing

[Linedriver]

Flew with a guy last week says the increased service to New York might foster hiring next year/summer. Anybody else hearing these mumblings?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

We are not going to like it, but there will probably only be 30-40 more mainline flights out of this.

But to answer your question, maybe. It have heard very soft rumblings about this. We are overstaffed by 1200-1300 pilots for this winter, and even staffing for next summer. As we can see we see from DAL's 8-K today there is some pricing power coming back to the industry. With that comes demand, and added seats. If we add over 3-4% of our flying back they may seriously look at adding bodies. It takes about three months to go from opening an application window to having bodies in class.
It takes another three months after that. Point is that much like last time, if they need additional pilots for next summer and beyond the decision will be made in the first few weeks of December to early January at the latest. IMHO, they will probably try to short staff the airline to the max extent possible next summer so they can get a better idea on which the way the economy will be moving in 2011. (how fast it will be growing and thus a need for added flights)

On a side note, I think that airlines are going to be very cautious in adding capacity back in.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Nobody is going to hire in 2010......C'mon ACL, you are smarter than that....

Do you really think the early outs helped this overstaffing issue?? Wait until the DC-9's wave bye-bye and the full-on codesharing with Alaska kicks in (We aren't even close to the limit yet).....

We are over staffed and the capacity will come in the form of all the 76 seaters on order....then mainline.

 

[cybourg10]

On a side note, I think that airlines are going to be very cautious in adding capacity back in.

Agreed, hopefully they will more concerned with pricing power than market share (for once). This cautious growth could be good (or bad) for some LCCs to expand....

 

[michael707767]

Nobody is going to hire in 2010......C'mon ACL, you are smarter than that....

Do you really think the early outs helped this overstaffing issue?? Wait until the DC-9's wave bye-bye and the full-on codesharing with Alaska kicks in (We aren't even close to the limit yet).....

We are over staffed and the capacity will come in the form of all the 76 seaters on order....then mainline.

Sadly, he is right. The company will go to Moak for relief on numbers of 76 seaters, and he will give it to em. He will try to sell it as a win. As in they are parking a bunch of 50 seat jets, and the feed will me more mainline flights, or some happy horsesh*t like that. But it will happen.

 

[JAM-BRO]

If Moak gives ANY relief, he should be RECALLED!!!!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There is a limit and currently the company cannot get any more. If one inch of this is given, I think that many will be very surprised by the reaction of this group! The pilots over here have had enough.

 

[Mike man]

...they will more concerned with pricing power than market share...

exactly...with any luck they will more with price.

 

[crj567]

There is a limit and currently the company cannot get any more. If one inch of this is given, I think that many will be very surprised by the reaction of this group! The pilots over here have had enough.

Yeah-

Find someone else to sell that load to.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeah-

Find someone else to sell that load to.

Fact is that every action that has been perceived as a change in Section 1 of the PWA has been meet with very harsh criticism. Messing with it will be at the peril of those who do. The guys over here are sick of giving or the perception of giving away this.

I can post more about what is coming, but in reality it just needs to happen.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Yeah-

Find someone else to sell that load to.

I understand your fear. I'd be scared too if I were you. The crj 200 has seen its day and is being parked.
Don't worry crj/tanker clown, you can still do your special favors for $5 in the men's room at the airport, and that ever popular one with the 9th graders......Your job at Wendy's!

 

[FDJ2]

There is a limit and currently the company cannot get any more. If one inch of this is given, I think that many will be very surprised by the reaction of this group! The pilots over here have had enough.

I don't think anyone would be surprised by the reaction. Scope is becoming the proverbial third rail. This is a different pilot group than a decade ago, when the number priority was protecting the DB and fluffing the FAEs at all costs. We have a great deal more experience and information on the negative effect outsourcing has, not only on the careers of Delta pilots, but the industry as a whole. Outsourcing flying to regional airlines who don't have the structure, the ability and in some cases the desire to improve their contracts is corrosive to the profession and undermines the careers of the mainline pilots.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Outsourcing flying to regional airlines who don't have the structure, the ability and in some cases the desire to improve their contracts is corrosive to the profession and undermines the careers of the mainline pilots.

Oh, I can't wait for joe merchant, n2264j or one of the other rjdc hand jobs to react to this one!
Well said FDJ2!

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't think anyone would be surprised by the reaction. Scope is becoming the proverbial third rail. This is a different pilot group than a decade ago, when the number priority was protecting the DB and fluffing the FAEs at all costs. We have a great deal more experience and information on the negative effect outsourcing has, not only on the careers of Delta pilots, but the industry as a whole. Outsourcing flying to regional airlines who don't have the structure, the ability and in some cases the desire to improve their contracts is corrosive to the profession and undermines the careers of the mainline pilots.

A decade ago, the ASA and CMR MECs told you this and you didn't listen...

 

[crj567]

Don't worry about me/Gen Lee-we can still do our special favors for $5 in the men's room at the airport, and that ever popular one with the 9th graders......

-Scope won't help cure what the hell is wrong with you, Gen. You are just a mess.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I don't think anyone would be surprised by the reaction. Scope is becoming the proverbial third rail. This is a different pilot group than a decade ago, when the number priority was protecting the DB and fluffing the FAEs at all costs. We have a great deal more experience and information on the negative effect outsourcing has, not only on the careers of Delta pilots, but the industry as a whole. Outsourcing flying to regional airlines who don't have the structure, the ability and in some cases the desire to improve their contracts is corrosive to the profession and undermines the careers of the mainline pilots.

This point was not made for the audience intra-Delta. It was made in the macro sense. There are many on this board that think we will fold up, at the first hint of scope pressure.
In fact, most people I talk to here at DAL realize that DCI above 76 seats it a total non-starter. That goes for rank and file pilots as well as their bosses, and their bosses boss, all the way up the line.

It does not means they will not ask, they just know the answer prior to the question being asked.

 

[JohnDoe]

If Moak gives ANY relief, he should be RECALLED!!!!!

Seems to me that if he hasn't been by now, he never will be.

I know, I know....."But NEXT time will be different. People will really be fed up. Blah blah."

 

[Schwanker]

There is a limit and currently the company cannot get any more. If one inch of this is given, I think that many will be very surprised by the reaction of this group! The pilots over here have had enough.

Does that include DAL-S as well? I'm not so certain of Gomer's priorities down there in Mayberry.

Schwanker

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Does that include DAL-S as well? I'm not so certain of Gomer's priorities down there in Mayberry.

Schwanker

I hear ya. Fact is that for now none are on order, and the company "states" they do not want more. I want to see it in writing.

I am hoping that there are bigger fish to fry.......

We actually have a very motivated group. Lots of people running that are aware and well versed in this issue.

 

[FBN0223]

If Moak gives ANY relief, he should be RECALLED!!!!!

He should be recalled BEFORE he gives away flying.