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General: Guess what - Delta pays for all the gas, not just a portion of it, not just a "difference." Delta negotiates a rate and if it says "Delta" on the side of the airplane that is the rate it goes in at, plus a small fee for the folks pumping the gas.General Lee said:
But if contracts are re-written so that SkyWest negotiates their own fuel contracts, then Delta will still buy all the gas because the price will be figured into the revised contract.
You apparently don't understand what Regional Airlines are these days - we are basically aircraft leasing companies. Usually leasing companies don't buy fuel - it is a pass through because the customer gets a better deal that way.
Delta makes these contracts, they are the 900lb gorilla. You think measley ASA holds them up when there is a glut of 50 seat RJ's on the market? - hardly. We make money the old fashioned way, by paying slave wages, spending nearly nothing on service and delivering about 1/3 of what we promise. Delta's passengers surely suffer, but Delta calls the shots and it seems they like the lowest bidder.
As for Lawson, you give the man mythical powers. First, Delta Management decided where and what they were going to outsource. (Now here is the news flash) ** ALPA then adjusted its scope policy to meet Management's plans ** and you see the result.
Lawson did the right thing by trying to establish a dialogue with the Delta MEC instead of a cram down. Lawson wanted to talk about brand scope - wich we obviously need and your MEC Chairman refused.
As the RJDC litigation continues we are learning why your MEC Chairman refused. Could it be that ALPA and Delta Management were working in partnership on scope changes and that ALPA National provided the Delta pilots with economic analysis of the benefits Delta would recieve as a result of concessionary bargaining at Connection, which was used as bargaining capital?
It isn't that the DCI pilots are responsible for your concessions, but the documentation from the RJDC lawsuit certainly indicates ALPA, on the behalf of the Delta pilots, has an active role in DCI concessions.
And isn't this what we sort of suspected anyway? With every concession Delta would announce its intentions, the Delta MEC would go nuts and threaten to shut the place down, then the final result would be pretty much whatever Delta wanted?
I'm telling you - ALPA really boned up this deal and they continue down the wrong road purely out of mainline arrogrance. We are all getting screwed by this alpa apartied system.
At least you and I agree on one thing! We both would like to see the RJ's go to Delta mainline. Me, just so I can see you guys fly them at rates which are below ASA, Chautauqua, Republic, Air Wisconsin, Shuttle America or Horizon (and if I failed to mention SkyWest it is because I don't fully comprehend how they make $15 less than me an hour but take home $40,000 more a year with profit sharing - but when I figure it out they will also have rates over what your MEC secured on "our" equipment.)
But it brings us back to the point - your MEC negotiated these rates on phantom airplanes to try to help management reduce costs at Connection. Thanks, ALPA. We must have offset enough of your concessions, because you voted for it.
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