Delta RFP - will Delta pay for the gas?

[737 Pylt]

That's funny. I'm picturing a girl on the playground having a fight with another girl, and her entourage behind her yelling insults at the other girl, and repreating everything she says and snapping. That's 737pylt. We should start caling him Shaniqua.

Oh boy another one....I guess YOU of all people know why they call him salty pirate huh?? Shouldn't you be busy shopping for mouthwash?!
737

 

[John Pennekamp]

Oh boy another one....I guess YOU of all people know why they call him salty pirate huh?? Shouldn't you be busy shopping for mouthwash?!
737

Yeah, I do need to, 'cause the flippin' TSA took mine away. Hey, I'll say hi to ya when you greet me on my way into Walmart this afternoon.

 

[737 Pylt]

Yeah, I do need to, 'cause the flippin' TSA took mine away. Hey, I'll say hi to ya when you greet me on my way into Walmart this afternoon.

And the next time you don't hand me my shopping cart and and say "welcome to Walmart," I'm getting your ass fired!
737

 

[John Pennekamp]

And the next time you don't hand me my shopping cart and and say "welcome to Walmart," I'm getting your ass fired!
737

Sorry, I already beat you to the Walmart insult. You're not even very creative are you? Were you beaten as a child?

 

[SkyNation]

the way it was explained to us in recurrent recently at skywest:

Delta has a predetermined amount they give us for fuel. I don't know if it's per leg, per month, per quarter? someone else here might. if we go over that, it's a cost to us. if we come in under, it is a surplus for us. I believe these amounts are constantly analyzed and adjusted.

for United, it is a pass through that is audited and then paid. I'm sure there are myriad target amounts, projections, minimums, maximums, etc.

 

[johnsonrod]

Wouldn't surprise me if Delta figured a way to ensure that any regional partner covered the fuel price risk going forward. Delta won't expose itself to that risk if it doesn't have to - and regional bottom dwellers like Mesa and CHQ will accept these terms to get the business. It's that simple.

Say adios to Skywest/ASA, Comair, etc. if they won't play by the new rules...........

 

[John Pennekamp]

Say adios to Skywest/ASA, Comair, etc. if they won't play by the new rules...........

I was with you until this asinine statement. You're proving your ignorance, because the ASA/Skywest contract is not subject to the RFP. You're right, however that Comair is screwed.

 

[DrewBlows]

Thanks for flying slow and saving us money. But, I don't think DL management is impressed overall with your company. Your past strike cost $1 billion, and your FA obstinance is making them mad. Good luck.

By this assertion, Delta is making business decisions based on spite. That's a great way to run a company. The sad part is, I think you might be right.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Wouldn't surprise me if Delta figured a way to ensure that any regional partner covered the fuel price risk going forward. Delta won't expose itself to that risk if it doesn't have to - and regional bottom dwellers like Mesa and CHQ will accept these terms to get the business. It's that simple.

Why would any regional agree to this? If the regional partner has no ability to raise ticket prices (increase revenue), why would they agree to cover fuel price risk (increased costs). This simply makes no sense. What advantage is it to Delta to set one of their suppliers up with a business model that will fail: fixed payments (no ability to raise revenue) with variable costs (the risk that fuel will go above whatever amount the agreement was predicated on)?

I don't really care if you mainline guys hate the DCI guys and vice versa, but let's be pragmatic here. Any supplier of anything, paper clips or lift, would be foolish to agree to a likely money-losing proposition.

 

[pb1900]

No regional will cover gas prices as long as they have no way of curbing it. Not Mesa, not CHQ, no Comair, ASA, or Skywest. Like it has been said, it would be stupid to agree to pay for fuel when you don't control ticket prices. Delta will continue to pay for their gas because they want to sell cheap tickets. If they need more money then they just need to raise the price of their tickets. These days every other airline will follow suite a few days later so its good for all of us.

 

[johnsonrod]

I was with you until this asinine statement. You're proving your ignorance, because the ASA/Skywest contract is not subject to the RFP. You're right, however that Comair is screwed.

Thanks professor! ASA/Skywest will get their's in due time during the next round of negotiations. The entire regional business is screwed in the long term - quit acting like a jacka$$...

 

[homerjdispatch]

Thanks professor! ASA/Skywest will get their's in due time during the next round of negotiations. The entire regional business is screwed in the long term - quit acting like a jacka$$...

Yeah.... 15 years from now!

 

[johnsonrod]

Yeah.... 15 years from now!

Try 15 months from now. Sad but true........

 

[General Lee]

By this assertion, Delta is making business decisions based on spite. That's a great way to run a company. The sad part is, I think you might be right.

I think they are sick and tired of Comair's krap. They know they can get feed for cheaper, and they are really taking it to everyone involved. SkyWest made a deal that keeps them away from that right now, but that won't always be the same in the future. SkyWest and ASA get a small reprieve for now, but lower costs will be asked of them too eventually. In the meantime, Comair may be in a world of hurt very soon.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

SkyWest and ASA get a small reprieve for now, but lower costs will be asked of them too eventually.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So General YES is back.

Nice to see you have no shame. Nice try but your NO/YES BS hasn't been forgotten. How has it felt to bend over and take it? Are you as loud in the crew room about your NO-NO-NO-NO... ok give it to me.... YES VOTE?

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

In Case anyone forgot the BS spewed by General YES.....

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Our TA hasn't even been seen or voted on by our MEC members yet. It may get voted down by the MEC members, since most of them stated no RJs over 70 seats to DCI, period. They will be held accountable otherwise. Then it could go to the membership, and I doubt it would pass with that allowance. I won't vote for it.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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[General Lee]

In Case anyone forgot the BS spewed by General YES.....

04-16-2006, 15:42 #11 General Lee Registered User

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Our TA hasn't even been seen or voted on by our MEC members yet. It may get voted down by the MEC members, since most of them stated no RJs over 70 seats to DCI, period. They will be held accountable otherwise. Then it could go to the membership, and I doubt it would pass with that allowance. I won't vote for it.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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All of that was BEFORE I saw the TA. I was uninformed prior to reading it, and I then chose to weigh the good and bad. It was then an INFORMED decision, and it was the correct one. Thanks for caring so much to mark my exact quotes in your head.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

All of that was BEFORE I saw the TA. I was uninformed prior to reading it, and I then chose to weigh the good and bad. It was then an INFORMED decision, and it was the correct one. Thanks for caring so much to mark my exact quotes in your head.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So I guess your are admitting your IGNORANCE. Well that is the first step.

PS Thanks for allowing the SCOPE to slip just a little bit more. What exactly is your limit? Sorry, that is an unfair question for a boomer. If it serves you than it must be ok, right? No limits, just self indulgence.

How often do you spout KRAP? Are you still just on here spouting more IGNORANT KRAP to flame bait?

What was the purpose of the latest thread you started? To inform?

YES!

 

[FDJ2]

Our TA hasn't even been seen or voted on by our MEC members yet. It may get voted down by the MEC members, since most of them stated no RJs over 70 seats to DCI, period. They will be held accountable otherwise. Then it could go to the membership, and I doubt it would pass with that allowance. I won't vote for it.

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And your point is? Didn't the quote start with the premise that the TA hadn't even been seen by the MEC yet, let alone the rank and file?

For the record, I voted no, but I don't begrudge anyone who voted yes. It's our PWA, we'll live with it. It's not the best, but it's far from the worst.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

STFU.

No, and I dont have to. G F Y S mIm