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Delta RFP on 10-20 widebodies maybe coming in next 2-3 years--article

waveflyer

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What are you talking about?
Psa did its own flying-

Delta doesn't do a whole lot of its own flying

You reloaded the whipsaw market just as it was in a natural decline

And mgmt has its wedge

Good job
 

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The next scope level will be at the 99-100 seat level, then RAy just removes 5 seats out of the 717 and adds at least 10 to the -900 and he gets exactly what he's been moving towards. And DALPA will sign off on it for a small payraise. Rinse and repeat.
 
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The next scope level will be at the 99-100 seat level, then RAy just removes 5 seats out of the 717 and adds at least 10 to the -900 and he gets exactly what he's been moving towards. And DALPA will sign off on it for a small payraise. Rinse and repeat.

The 76 seat limit hasn't grown in 2 contracts now, and the last time it did change was in BK, from 70 to 76 seats. Instead of giving up more, you guys gave DL 88 717s and $130 million to refurbish them. Great move. What I think you should be worrying about Red is GK's want to become a LCC again. Hold the line Red, hold the line!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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What are you talking about?
Psa did its own flying-

Delta doesn't do a whole lot of its own flying

You reloaded the whipsaw market just as it was in a natural decline

And mgmt has its wedge

Good job

Wave, AGAIN you fail to recognize that the wedge is getting smaller thanks to this last contract. 140 fewer RJs total, and the addition of 88 717s that will replace larger RJs as they replace smaller ones on the way out. The outsourcing is getting SMALLER. It can't all just go away in an instant, and some cities can't fill a mainline plane, like Valdosta. You guys should know that, you are dumping 17 cities total that were flown to by AT.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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The 76 seat limit hasn't grown in 2 contracts now, and the last time it did change was in BK, from 70 to 76 seats. Instead of giving up more, you guys gave DL 88 717s and $130 million to refurbish them. Great move. What I think you should be worrying about Red is GK's want to become a LCC again. Hold the line Red, hold the line!


Bye Bye---General Lee


Hold the line??

You're hilarious Gen. I thought you had heard, Southwest doesn't have any RJ's. It's been that way for 41 years.

We'll continue to struggle along here without any regional jet feed.... Oh yea, and zero codeshare.

RA is just slowly turning the heat up on the DALPA regional jet stock pot. You guys won't notice a thing when he comes for that 100 seat outsourcing (you'll just be seeing dollar signs from a small raise). It's time to start educating your senior guys now, because they won't care what's happening at the bottom of the list.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend, and don't get stuck on the ramp behind too many 9's!
 

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Hold the line??

You're hilarious Gen. I thought you had heard, Southwest doesn't have any RJ's. It's been that way for 41 years.

We'll continue to struggle along here without any regional jet feed.... Oh yea, and zero codeshare.

RA is just slowly turning the heat up on the DALPA regional jet stock pot. You guys won't notice a thing when he comes for that 100 seat outsourcing (you'll just be seeing dollar signs from a small raise). It's time to start educating your senior guys now, because they won't care what's happening at the bottom of the list.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend, and don't get stuck on the ramp behind too many 9's!

Red,

DL is already taking care of the outsourcing, thanks to you guys! Think where 88 newly refurbished 717s will go when they are all flying for DL within the next 3 years, while at the same time 210 50 seaters are parked. About 140 fewer RJs will not be on the ramps when the 3 years are up. Those CRJ "9"s will be seeing smaller cities, as 717s cover their current routes. Mainline recapturing previous routes. Ah, a great thing, as you guys dump 17 AT cities for good.

When I stated "hold the line" it was regarding your pay and benefits. Everyone hopes you do, except maybe GK, and he seems bent on returning to true LCC status. Looking at your costs, I bet he thinks they resemble a Legacy's instead of a LCC. I hope you guys "hold the line" as previously stated.


And, I don't work weekends or holidays usually, unless it's raining "Green", and then I still run it by my family. I've got two barbeques over the next couple days, so it's unlikely. Have a good one Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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Care to wager, general?

Right now, -900's aren't just going mid size cities- they're doing every domestic thing you got and actually a whole lot of huge market to huge market-

My bet is they will continue to-

So... What's it worth to you? A month off Flight Info?
 

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Care to wager, general?

Right now, -900's aren't just going mid size cities- they're doing every domestic thing you got and actually a whole lot of huge market to huge market-

My bet is they will continue to-

So... What's it worth to you? A month off Flight Info?


Okay, so we'll check in 3 years and compare where the new 717s go, and see if they are going to all NEW cities, or if they cover CR9 and E175 routes.... You think they will cover outgoing 50 seater routes, because for some reason DL would put 110 seat 717s on current 50 seat routes, instead of 70 and 76 seaters....215 50 seaters will be gone by then, but current 70 and 76 seaters won't cover for them, according to you, 717s will. Ok...

So, 3 years from now, we will know who won. I bet I will, but whoever loses takes a month off. Deal.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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PSA had 24 BAe 146-200s, and they sat 85 pax, which would be too many at UAL or DL today via scope clauses. But, DL is getting 88 717s that will carry about 105 passengers I believe, and that will be done at mainline. BRAVO!!! Mainline is recapturing old markets, and SWA is paying $130 million to facilitate that, too. FANTASTIC.


Bye Bye---General Lee

But Guess What??? Your little thought of us paying 130 mil, will make up for the super deal we got with used 737ng's from Boeing. It's was a deal SWA/DL and Boeing made together. Win win for all. Do you really think SWA got suckered??? No one did and Boeing needed homes for the 717. The 130 mil is a drop in the hat for SWA. You really need to do your business research old man.
 

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Red,

DL is already taking care of the outsourcing, thanks to you guys! Think where 88 newly refurbished 717s will go when they are all flying for DL within the next 3 years, while at the same time 210 50 seaters are parked. About 140 fewer RJs will not be on the ramps when the 3 years are up. Those CRJ "9"s will be seeing smaller cities, as 717s cover their current routes. Mainline recapturing previous routes. Ah, a great thing, as you guys dump 17 AT cities for good.

When I stated "hold the line" it was regarding your pay and benefits. Everyone hopes you do, except maybe GK, and he seems bent on returning to true LCC status. Looking at your costs, I bet he thinks they resemble a Legacy's instead of a LCC. I hope you guys "hold the line" as previously stated.



And, I don't work weekends or holidays usually, unless it's raining "Green", and then I still run it by my family. I've got two barbeques over the next couple days, so it's unlikely. Have a good one Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Our cost will and still blows your away! We are just a inch higher than spirt and algt. Guess what happens in 2017??? We will cost lower than DL and Spirt, with out taking a paycut. Good luck with your new pay raise! The Cycle will start over for you! BK DL comes again !
 

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Okay, so we'll check in 3 years and compare where the new 717s go, and see if they are going to all NEW cities, or if they cover CR9 and E175 routes.... You think they will cover outgoing 50 seater routes, because for some reason DL would put 110 seat 717s on current 50 seat routes, instead of 70 and 76 seaters....215 50 seaters will be gone by then, but current 70 and 76 seaters won't cover for them, according to you, 717s will. Ok...

So, 3 years from now, we will know who won. I bet I will, but whoever loses takes a month off. Deal.


Bye Bye---General Lee

No, smart guy- dont complicate it. What you've been ranting on since your latest sellout is that -900's won't be supplementing major routes. I say they will. Large city to large city. If I can find a dozen such routes with -900's you lose. If not, then I do. Deal?
 

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No, smart guy- dont complicate it. What you've been ranting on since your latest sellout is that -900's won't be supplementing major routes. I say they will. Large city to large city. If I can find a dozen such routes with -900's you lose. If not, then I do. Deal?

3 years Wave. And it's the Majority of routes, not just a few. A dozen routes is nothing, try more than half. The last flight out or the first flight in might be a good fit for certain city pairs and hubs, but the majority will go to 717s. 215 50 seaters will be leaving, and something will replace those planes, and I'm betting 70/76 seaters. Deal.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Dude, stop moving your target-
You admit and have completely accepted that these airplanes will be doing significant mainline routes- so what's your standard?

is 'more than half' the DALPA standard- ?

A dozen flights a day is acceptable I guess, so what's not to a dalpa pilot? When do you guys stand up and defend your profession against the seniority scam regionals represent? 2 dozen flights?- 2 hundred flights?

Think about that and just let me know where your backbone lies -
we'll make a bet then

You remind me of the old joke

'Man approaches his neighbors hot wife and offers her $100,000 to sleep with her.
'Seriously?'
'Seriously'
She accepts and they do.
Next week he offers her $50,000
'But last time it was $100k?'
I just can't do that, but $50k is $50k...
She agrees and they do
Next week $10k
'??'
'That pays for a trip to Fiji'
And they do again
Finally it's a weekly thing for $1000- and she's loving life
And then one day he leaves a $100 bill

'Excuse me, what's this??!' She asks indignantly

That's all I can do baby

'Just what do you think I am??!'

'Honey, we knew what you were on the first night...'

So she gave it up for free for the next ten years til she got old and ugly and overpriced at $20, when Skywest is young and hot and oh whatever!! You know what im saying- You guys are so used to getting f^cked you're giving it up for next to nothin'(!)
 
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