Delta ready to void pilots contract.

[surplus1]

What you say may be very well true and while I respect those principles, how long is Joe Delta going to be able make the mortgage and car payments while living off a limited strike fund? More importantly, how much certainty is there that this kind of a job action will still accomplish the desired goal for the risks involved? Got leverage? That's all I'm asking.

If the Delta pilots do make a decision to strike, it will probably result in Chapter 7 for Delta. Only they can decide if they're willing to take that risk or not.

Delta management has apparently decided that they are willing to take that risk. Either they don't believe the rhetoric of the Delta pilots or they don't care. Probably a little of both.

The rEAL pilots had to make a similar decision knowing that it would result in the end of their airline. They did and it did. Some think they were foolish, others respect them both for their principles and their great loss.

Times were somewhat different then so it is not exactly the same but it is similar.

I don't know what the DL pilots will do but now that the NWA pilots have capitulated, they're pretty much left holding the bag. We shall see what course they take.

My little airline is doomed no matter what we do. Since we have nothing to lose it may be worth considering causing the company as much pain as possible before we are assassinated anyway.

We shall see.

 

[Publishers]

Surplus1, that is the first time I have actually read your posts and seen a let's just do this for the sake of doing it.
As I have said before, chapter 11 does not mean going forth as usual nor does it mean that mangement has the control they did. The fact is that more decisions are made for management than the other way around. Labor decisions are a part but so is the supplier chain, bankers, lessors, accountants, lawyers, etc.
It is far from a --let's just forget the old debt and move on like we were going.

 

[FDJ2]

No, it will be up to the pilots on whether or not there is a strike.

Wrong sport, the pilots are willing to negotiate, management isn't. Whether there is a strike depends on whether or not management wants to negotiate in good faith or not.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus1, that is the first time I have actually read your posts and seen a let's just do this for the sake of doing it.
As I have said before, chapter 11 does not mean going forth as usual nor does it mean that mangement has the control they did. The fact is that more decisions are made for management than the other way around. Labor decisions are a part but so is the supplier chain, bankers, lessors, accountants, lawyers, etc.
It is far from a --let's just forget the old debt and move on like we were going.

I understand the perogatves of the court, the creditors and the Company in Chapter 11. I am also familiar with 1113(c).

I am not advocating doing anything just for the sake of doing it.

What I am saying is this: If you are holding a gun to my head and I know for a fact that you intend to pull the trigger, I have nothing to lose if I attempt to take the gun away. If I fail, you shoot me. If I don't try, you shoot me. No difference between those two.

If I do try I may not prevent you from shooting me, but perhaps I can inflict a mortal wound before you do. If we both die that is better than just letting you shoot me without any protest.

That's what we have to decide. I don't know what we will do as yet.

The Company is not Comair, it is Delta Air Lines. The way they see Comair is not the same as the way they see Delta. We are expendable to them. We're just not expendable to ourselves. You know the rest.

 

[FDJ2]

I understand the perogatves of the court, the creditors and the Company in Chapter 11. I am also familiar with 1113(c).

I am not advocating doing anything just for the sake of doing it.

What I am saying is this: If you are holding a gun to my head and I know for a fact that you intend to pull the trigger, I have nothing to lose if I attempt to take the gun away. If I fail, you shoot me. If I don't try, you shoot me. No difference between those two.

If I do try I may not prevent you from shooting me, but perhaps I can inflict a mortal wound before you do. If we both die that is better than just letting you shoot me without any protest.

That's what we have to decide. I don't know what we will do as yet.

The Company is not Comair, it is Delta Air Lines. The way they see Comair is not the same as the way they see Delta. We are expendable to them. We're just not expendable to ourselves. You know the rest.

Note the time: I agree with Surplus.:beer:

 

[Buckaroo]

I understand the perogatves of the court, the creditors and the Company in Chapter 11. I am also familiar with 1113(c).

I am not advocating doing anything just for the sake of doing it.

What I am saying is this: If you are holding a gun to my head and I know for a fact that you intend to pull the trigger, I have nothing to lose if I attempt to take the gun away. If I fail, you shoot me. If I don't try, you shoot me. No difference between those two.

If I do try I may not prevent you from shooting me, but perhaps I can inflict a mortal wound before you do. If we both die that is better than just letting you shoot me without any protest.

That's what we have to decide. I don't know what we will do as yet.

The Company is not Comair, it is Delta Air Lines. The way they see Comair is not the same as the way they see Delta. We are expendable to them. We're just not expendable to ourselves. You know the rest.

Bad analogy. You left out the thousands of innocent bystanders (other employees) that would be thrown out on the streets by your "noble" actions.
I lost all respect for pilots during the "United +1%, or we'll strike!!" extortion.

 

[surplus1]

Bad analogy. You left out the thousands of innocent bystanders (other employees) that would be thrown out on the streets by your "noble" actions.
I lost all respect for pilots during the "United +1%, or we'll strike!!" extortion.

Maybe if you knew what the "other employees" think of our parent company you might not think the analogy was such a bad one.

The other employees are in the boat right along with us. If Delta shuts down the airline, they are history. If we shut it down, they are history. There is no difference.

 

[Buckaroo]

Maybe if you knew what the "other employees" think of our parent company you might not think the analogy was such a bad one.

The other employees are in the boat right along with us. If Delta shuts down the airline, they are history. If we shut it down, they are history. There is no difference.

I do know a lot of the other employees, and they would rather be on a life raft with management than on a kamikazee plane with the pilots.

 

[michael707767]

I do know a lot of the other employees, and they would rather be on a life raft with management than on a kamikazee plane with the pilots.

wow, great analogy....... On the other hand our kamikazee plane will be pointed right at the lifeboat.

 

[Nindiri]

Note the time: I agree with Surplus.:beer:

Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?