Delta ramping up 717 flights in ATL and DTW. Thanks SWA!

[SWA Bubba]

Yeah, flying 717s into ICT is your only choice at DL. Riiiiight. Well alrighty then....


Bye Bye---General Lee

So, General: is flying a 717 into ICT as embarrassing of a prospect to a "professional pilot" as flying a 737 into LBB? Inquiring minds want to know.

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

So, General: is flying a 717 into ICT as embarrassing of a prospect to a "professional pilot" as flying a 737 into LBB? Inquiring minds want to know.

Bubba

Well Bubba, I think the MD88 used to fly into ICT, and the 717s have already been to ICT via AT. ICT is probably a bigger town than LBB, with more air service choices, no doubt there. I'm personally happy that RJs are being replaced by any mainline plane to Wichita, period. Do I want to fly to ICT or LBB? Not really. The pay rate in the left seat going there on a DL 717 isn't bad, though...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Well Bubba, I think the MD88 used to fly into ICT, and the 717s have already been to ICT via AT. ICT is probably a bigger town than LBB, with more air service choices, no doubt there. I'm personally happy that RJs are being replaced by any mainline plane to Wichita, period. Do I want to fly to ICT or LBB? Not really. The pay rate in the left seat going there on a DL 717 isn't bad, though...


Bye Bye---General Lee

Holy sh*t, has it really come to this? Come on people, you still buy into this guy?

 

[Freebrd]

Those two clowns still posting on here?

 

[Scoot 11]

Actually for the Deltoids, it is Russ. They just can't understand why you wouldn't want to become an arrogant, River Boat jacket wearing pilot.

It's all about personal choice, and if your happy with where you are then I say excellent. Enjoy.

Exactly Russ, you could become a pay for training washout troll, who can't get hired anywhere else so he has to buy a job.

 

[waveflyer]

True....now the wizards are saying JB should dump the 190s on UAL....who knows?

Wavey said you guys are getting the 787.... Any comment?

Eventually-

From GK and MVdV: we can maintain 2-3 types comfortably
I think we would have if the 717 had had a little better numbers and still been in production.

It's old news, btw
Pressure on Boeing ? Probably just that-

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704881304576093752664381700?mobile=y

 

[$$$4nothin]

Eventually-

From GK and MVdV: we can maintain 2-3 types comfortably
I think we would have if the 717 had had a little better numbers and still been in production.

It's old news, btw
Pressure on Boeing ? Probably just that-

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704881304576093752664381700?mobile=y

Or to ease the pain when SWA/JB merge and they can't find a buyer for the 190's. There is your 2-3 airplane types that are still in production.

 

[waveflyer]

Maybe

Sigh

Another f^cking young airline....

It is possible

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill

I don't know,what else I can say to make you and GL understand, I am very comfortable where I am. I don't have anything against DAL, I just don't want to work there or anywhere else. Something happens to SkyWest to reach the top 13% of the pilot group, I'll rethink it.

Honestly, is it that hard to comprehend?

Fair enough Russ, no disrespect.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Actually for the Deltoids, it is Russ. They just can't understand why you wouldn't want to become an arrogant, River Boat jacket wearing pilot.

It's all about personal choice, and if your happy with where you are then I say excellent. Enjoy.

You know Russ,

Being a flag tie, leather jacket wearing guy sweating in line at the Cinnabon for breakfast during his 20 minute turn at Omaha does have its positives. Scrape together 7000 and you can be worthy like Red too!

:beer:

 

[madjack]

It's great to see legacy pilots bad mouthin SWA....means times are good and raises are coming for all...

 

[canyonblue]

It's great to see legacy pilots bad mouthin SWA....means times are good and raises are coming for all...

Of course, the past 10 years they've been b!tchslapped down. Now all of a sudden they feel like they can sit with the adults again. Spend some time working on meaningful Scope language for the love of God.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Of course, the past 10 years they've been b!tchslapped down. Now all of a sudden they feel like they can sit with the adults again. Spend some time working on meaningful Scope language for the love of God.

There it is, the Warrior Spirit. The arrogance floats to the top.

 

[waveflyer]

Arrogance?
C'mon, you know deltoids can't preach on that topic billi

 

[redflyer65]

There it is, the Warrior Spirit. The arrogance floats to the top.

That's laughable. The DL arrogance has always been so thick you could cut it with a knife. They only thing that slowed them down was the bankruptcy, and that only lasted a couple of years. Most SW guys are laid back and relaxed. Big difference in flight deck attitudes. At least the SW guys aren't ragging on the regional guys saying "you've got to get out because you're job and life suck". Let people do their own thing and find their own happiness for God sake. Unbelievable.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

That's laughable. The DL arrogance has always been so thick you could cut it with a knife. They only thing that slowed them down was the bankruptcy, and that only lasted a couple of years. Most SW guys are laid back and relaxed. Big difference in flight deck attitudes. At least the SW guys aren't ragging on the regional guys saying "you've got to get out because you're job and life suck". Let people do their own thing and find their own happiness for God sake. Unbelievable.

Even the guy who pretends to be a Delta pilot is a arrogant know it all turd. Guess if you are going to pretend, do it 100%.

Woo hooo 88 717's!

 

[Scoot 11]

That's laughable. The DL arrogance has always been so thick you could cut it with a knife. They only thing that slowed them down was the bankruptcy, and that only lasted a couple of years. Most SW guys are laid back and relaxed. Big difference in flight deck attitudes. At least the SW guys aren't ragging on the regional guys saying "you've got to get out because you're job and life suck". Let people do their own thing and find their own happiness for God sake. Unbelievable.

Sorry you didn't get hired.

 

[madjack]

The litmus test is when they stop sharing the vans....

 

[HowardBorden]

SWA spends $100 million year 1 to net $200 million annually--THANKS DELTA!

Southwest Airlines says it will spend about $100 million to convert AirTran Airways' Boeing 717s, but Chairman, President and CEO Gary Kelly insists the expense is justified to eliminate all 88 of the 100-seat aircraft from Southwest's fleet.

The cost is in addition to $40 million provided separately by Boeing.


Southwest CFO Laura Wright added that Southwest expects a $200 million boost in annual pre-tax income from replacing the AirTran 717 service with 737s that accommodate 26 more seats at roughly the same trip cost.


Southwest also says the sublease income it will get from Delta is "essentially a wash" with its ongoing rental expense for the aircraft.

The low-cost carrier says it would have spent $50 million to reconfigure and repaint the 717 aircraft if it had kept them for the Southwest fleet. Instead, it signed a deal with Delta that will send three of the 717s to the legacy carrier each month, starting in August 2013.


http://aviationweek.com/awin/southwest-boeing-spending-140m-717-conversion

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Meanwhile Howard....you pay a reduced but almost full price for a NEO or NG. Ok..I follow....I think.

 

[Noserider76]

It's great to see legacy pilots bad mouthin SWA....means times are good and raises are coming for all...

I hope you guys don't think a few supposed DL guys on here represent the opinion of the rest of us. I'm always treated better on SWA than any other carrier I jumpseat with. You have an awesome company with pretty much unlimited expansion potential world wide. For the regular SWA person that doesn't post here please don't get wrapped up in the BS of a few people who love to see themselves talk on either side.

 

[General Lee]

Southwest Airlines says it will spend about $100 million to convert AirTran Airways' Boeing 717s, but Chairman, President and CEO Gary Kelly insists the expense is justified to eliminate all 88 of the 100-seat aircraft from Southwest's fleet.

The cost is in addition to $40 million provided separately by Boeing.


Southwest CFO Laura Wright added that Southwest expects a $200 million boost in annual pre-tax income from replacing the AirTran 717 service with 737s that accommodate 26 more seats at roughly the same trip cost.


Southwest also says the sublease income it will get from Delta is "essentially a wash" with its ongoing rental expense for the aircraft.

The low-cost carrier says it would have spent $50 million to reconfigure and repaint the 717 aircraft if it had kept them for the Southwest fleet. Instead, it signed a deal with Delta that will send three of the 717s to the legacy carrier each month, starting in August 2013.


http://aviationweek.com/awin/southwest-boeing-spending-140m-717-conversion

Too bad Howie you couldn't have used some of that savings to pay your AirTran brethren the same rates for the same type planes, like DL did almost immediately after the Joint Contract for the 757/767 (both had 757). Oh, you couldn't afford it? You are still charging for bags on the AT side. Well done guys! And, I thanked you guys for giving DL the right sized planes to take back the Regional routes.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I hope you guys don't think a few supposed DL guys on here represent the opinion of the rest of us. I'm always treated better on SWA than any other carrier I jumpseat with. You have an awesome company with pretty much unlimited expansion potential world wide. For the regular SWA person that doesn't post here please don't get wrapped up in the BS of a few people who love to see themselves talk on either side.

Whatever dude! Talk about playing to the mob.... Guess what? If people get upset about opinions expressed on an anonymous rumor board, then they are ridiculous. If they generalize and take it out on entire work forces, then they are dense jerks. This is an anonymous rumor board for Gawd sake! Make sure you placate them! (They may not even be Corndogs....). Wow....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

And, I thanked you guys for giving DL the right sized planes to take back the Regional routes.....

And I thanked you for letting us spend $50 million (100 mil minus the 50 we would have had to spend to convert them to SWA anyway) in order to gain an extra $200 million ANNUALLY! We are gaining close to 4000 revenue producing seats by converting 717's to -700's and -800's.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Whatever dude! Talk about playing to the mob.... Guess what? If people get upset about opinions expressed on an anonymous rumor board, then they are ridiculous. If they generalize and take it out on entire work forces, then they are dense jerks. This is an anonymous rumor board for Gawd sake! Make sure you placate them! (They may not even be Corndogs....). Wow....



Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude......you really need another hobby.....

When you hit 20,000 posts do you get a set of steak knives or something ?

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Dude......you really need another hobby.....

When you hit 20,000 posts do you get a set of steak knives or something ?

When you fly a desk like Genital there is plenty of time to add to the post count. Hell I would be willing to bet his post count on airliners.net is getting close to that magic 20,000 count as well

 

[General Lee]

Dude......you really need another hobby.....

When you hit 20,000 posts do you get a set of steak knives or something ?

Dude, I've been on this board for 12+ years. I enjoy it. People like you don't like that, which is unfortunate. I enjoy the rumors, the industry talk, and the banter. If you can't understand that, well, that's too bad. I still haven't seen you add anything of substance, but I guess we can all hope. Good luck duck!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

When you fly a desk like Genital there is plenty of time to add to the post count. Hell I would be willing to bet his post count on airliners.net is getting close to that magic 20,000 count as well

Total Posts: 19,459
Posts Per Day: 4.48

No way anyone who is a pilot would spend that much of their life on an Internet forum. Almost 5 posts a day every day for 4,343 days, just under 12 years. I couldn't imagine even the dorkiest pilot being that strange. And hey, idiot, please don't respond to me because I despise that FI even allows you to continue this charade. It's possibly the lowest that FI has ever gone.

 

[redflyer65]

Total Posts: 19,459
Posts Per Day: 4.48

No way anyone who is a pilot would spend that much of their life on an Internet forum. Almost 5 posts a day every day for 4,343 days, just under 12 years. I couldn't imagine even the dorkiest pilot being that strange. And hey, idiot, please don't respond to me because I despise that FI even allows you to continue this charade. It's possibly the lowest that FI has ever gone.

Bingo!

The guy is a non-pilot troll that should have been banned years ago. Anything he post carries NO credibility.


Oh, and Scoot...

Did you seriously think I would have applied to Delta? Not even close my friend. But I will say the new guys (possibly like yourself) are more laid back and relaxed than the hiring that was done in the past...and that's a good thing. I've seen too many FO's that were beaten down like dogs from the CA's. Not an environment I would apply to, but it sounds like it's getting better.

 

[Noserider76]

Whatever dude! Talk about playing to the mob.... Guess what? If people get upset about opinions expressed on an anonymous rumor board, then they are ridiculous. If they generalize and take it out on entire work forces, then they are dense jerks. This is an anonymous rumor board for Gawd sake! Make sure you placate them! (They may not even be Corndogs....). Wow....



Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow is right. You're embarrassing. No other way to put it.