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Delta pilots nix arbitration
Associated Press
March 20, 2008

Delta Air Lines Inc.'s pilots union rejected Wednesday theidea of submitting to arbitration with their counterparts at NorthwestAirlines Corp. to break their impasse over integrating seniority listsas part of a possible combination of the carriers.

"In short, there will be no binding arbitration," LeeMoak, head of Delta's pilots union, said in an e-mail to the AssociatedPress.

Pilot union leaders at Northwest had suggested in a memoto rank-and-file Northwest pilots on Tuesday that arbitration may be away to break the deadlock. Traditionally, arbitration in thesesituations is binding.

The memo said that "if management feels the time is nowfor consolidation, they would be wise to encourage both pilot groups toaccept expedited arbitration."

Arbitration can be a long, contentious process thattraditionally follows announcement of a deal between two airlines iftheir unions can't reach contractual or seniority agreements on theirown.

In this case, Atlanta-based Delta and Eagan, Minn.-basedNorthwest have not announced a combination agreement, and Deltaexecutives have stated they will only move forward on such a deal withanother airline if, among other things, the seniority of theiremployees is protected.

Arbitration might not be desirable for Delta's pilotsunion because of concern that younger Delta pilots might lose theseniority they obtained after the mass exodus of older pilots ahead ofDelta's bankruptcy filing in 2005, industry observers have said. Theairline emerged from Chapter 11 protection last April.

Delta has about 7,000 pilots, including 342 based atCincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, the airline'ssecond-largest hub.

The two carriers don't need a pilot seniority integrationdeal in advance to move forward with a combination, but having one inplace could help speed up the integration of the companies down theline.

Delta shares rose 34 cents to close at $10.43 Wednesday.
 
Jezz I wonder why they nixed it?????? Is it because then it might actually be a fair assessment.
Their stated position here over and over is that the NWA pilots would get "creamed" in arbitration. So, Obviously, they are simply looking out for the interests of fellow ALPA brothers/sisters like a caring father figure.
 
Jezz I wonder why they nixed it?????? Is it because then it might actually be a fair assessment.

Why is it so hard to understand? First of all, there may be no company incentives if we don't come to an agreement and second, we have no idea what either side will get in arbitration. Either side could get gunned down and end up in a US/AWA situation.

Why take control of your destiny out of your own hands. Sure it will be hard flying with guys down the road who think you screwed them in negotiations but that's what the union guys signed up for. I really can't believe someone even suggested arbitration after what the US pilots are going through.
 
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Why is it so hard to understand? First of all, there may be no company incentives if we don't come to an agreement and second, we have no idea what either side will get in arbitration. Either side could get gunned down and end up in a US/AWA situation.

Why take control of your destiny out of your own hands. Sure it will be hard flying with guys down the road who think you screwed them in negotiations but that's what the union guys signed up for. I really can't believe someone even suggested arbitration after what the US pilots are going through.


My man the arbitration in the US airways and AWA was for the most part fair..... In fact it favored the usair guys more than it should have; and they're now still not happy.

What I was trying to say is that you will still get incentives but when it comes to seniority integration you really need an arbitrator because they're an outsider looking in. It sounds like when it comes to seniority it really appears the Delta guys are being unfair.
 
My man the arbitration in the US airways and AWA was for the most part fair..... In fact it favored the usair guys more than it should have; and they're now still not happy.

Well fair is in the eye of the beholder and arbitration usually ends up with one very pissed off group. Why submit to something totally unknown when you can have some control over your destiny.

What I was trying to say is that you will still get incentives but when it comes to seniority integration you really need an arbitrator because they're an outsider looking in. It sounds like when it comes to seniority it really appears the Delta guys are being unfair.

What I'm saying is why would the company agree to the incentives when we go to arbitration? US/AWA went to arbitration and they are further apart than ever. The company wanted an agreement so they could benefit from the merged list immediately, not 2 or 3 years down the road when the fights are over. As far as your last part, I don't agree at all. You don't know the details.
 

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