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Delta pilots, does this apply to ASA?

FightingIrish

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OK Delta pilots, this document is making it's way around. The ASA MEC says it doesn't apply to us here at ASA. Others seem to think it does. Can anyone clarify whether it applies to ASA or not. How can it since we didn't sign on to it?

LETTER 2006-10
(Feeder Carrier Hiring)
LETTER OF AGREEMENT
between
NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
and
THE AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
as represented by
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of Title II of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between Northwest Airlines, Inc., (hereinafter referred to as the “Company”) and the Air Line Pilots in the service of Northwest Airlines, Inc. as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (hereinafter referred to as “ALPA”).
WHEREAS, the Company and ALPA have agreed to certain modifications (the “Modifications”) of the NWA/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (the “ALPA Agreement”) in furtherance of the Company’s effort to successfully restructure through the Chapter 11 bankruptcy process; and
WHEREAS, all such Modifications embodied in this Letter of Agreement and others to be executed on the same date as this Letter of Agreement, will, when executed, resulted in a revised ALPA Agreement (the “ALPA Restructuring Agreement”); and
WHEREAS, the Modifications embodied in this Letter of Agreement pertain to the agreement of the parties to provide for employment opportunities for laid off Company pilots at Feeder Carriers (as that term is defined in Section 1 B.7.c.(1) of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement) and employment opportunities at the Company for certain pilots of certain Feeder Carriers.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, the undersigned parties do hereby agree as follows:
A. Definitions.
1. “Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Domestic Air Carrier that is a Feeder Carrier (both as defined in Section 1 B.7.a. and Section 1 B.7.c.(1) of the Agreement) that has contracted with the Company to operate Qualifying Aircraft.
a. “Category 1 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is an Affiliate of the Company.
b. “Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is not an Affiliate of the Company and that operates Qualifying Aircraft that are owned, financed, leased, or sub-leased by the Company (not including the AVRO85 replacements at Mesaba Airlines).
c. “Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is not an Affiliate of the Company and that operates Qualifying Aircraft that are not owned, financed, leased or sub-leased by the Company.
2. “Qualifying Aircraft” means a 51-76 seat aircraft as defined in Section 1.B. 7.c.(1) of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement.
3. “Eligible Furloughed Pilot” means a pilot whose name appears on the Feeder Carrier Opportunity List.
4. “New Position” means a (Captain or First Officer) position on a Qualifying Aircraft that is created at a Category 1 or Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier as a result of a Participating Feeder Carrier’s taking delivery of, or announcing firm delivery of, Qualifying Aircraft after the effective date of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement. The number of New Positions at a Participating Feeder Carrier shall be determined without regard to whether pilots employed by the Participating Feeder Carrier are furloughed or remain on furlough.
5. “New Hire Position” means a New Pilot position at a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier.
6. “Backfill Position” means a position (Captain or First Officer) on a Qualifying Aircraft at a Participating Feeder Carrier that becomes open when an Eligible Furloughed Pilot vacates that position.
7. “Feeder Carrier Opportunity List” means the list maintained by the NWA MEC Membership Committee after review by all Participating Feeder Carriers pursuant to the terms of this Letter of Agreement.
B. Offers of Opportunity (Filling of Vacancies)
1. A Category 1 Participating Feeder Carrier shall make 100% of New Positions (Captain and First Officer) and 100% of Backfill Positions available to Eligible Furloughed Pilots.
2. A Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier shall make 50% of New Positions (Captain and First Officer) and 100% of Backfill Positions available to Eligible Furloughed Pilots, subject to conditions and restrictions that provide for efficient and timely processing and hiring of such Eligible Furloughed Pilots.
3. The Company will provide enhanced opportunities for a laid off Company pilot to obtain pilot employment at a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier. As part of the negotiation of a new ASA agreement, or to amend an existing ASA agreement with a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier, the Human Resources Departments of the Company and such Feeder Carrier will develop a mutually acceptable program that will serve to provide laid off Company pilots who meet all other pilot hiring criteria defined by such Feeder Carrier with “additional weighting” relative to other pilot candidates not already employed by such Feeder Carrier. Nothing in this program will guarantee that any laid off Company pilot will be hired ahead of other candidates who are not laid off Company pilots.
C. This Letter of Agreement shall become effective on the date set forth in Paragraph O. of Restructuring Letter of Agreement Number 1 (Letter 2006-01), and shall run concurrently with the NWA/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement, including any status quo period under the Railway Labor Act.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned parties have signed this Letter of Agreement this 31st day of July, 2006.

For AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION
Duane E. Woerth President
NWA MEC Chairman
Chairman Negotiating Committee (Northwest)
Member Negotiating Committee (Northwest)
Member Negotiating Committee (Northwest)

For NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
Vice President Labor Relations
Vice President Flight Operations/SOC
Director Flight Administration(!-- / message -->(!-- sig -->
 

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OK Delta pilots, this document is making it's way around. The ASA MEC says it doesn't apply to us here at ASA. Others seem to think it does. Can anyone clarify whether it applies to ASA or not. How can it since we didn't sign on to it?

LETTER 2006-10
(Feeder Carrier Hiring)
LETTER OF AGREEMENT
between
NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
and
THE AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
as represented by
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of Title II of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between Northwest Airlines, Inc., (hereinafter referred to as the “Company”) and the Air Line Pilots in the service of Northwest Airlines, Inc. as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (hereinafter referred to as “ALPA”).
WHEREAS, the Company and ALPA have agreed to certain modifications (the “Modifications”) of the NWA/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (the “ALPA Agreement”) in furtherance of the Company’s effort to successfully restructure through the Chapter 11 bankruptcy process; and
WHEREAS, all such Modifications embodied in this Letter of Agreement and others to be executed on the same date as this Letter of Agreement, will, when executed, resulted in a revised ALPA Agreement (the “ALPA Restructuring Agreement”); and
WHEREAS, the Modifications embodied in this Letter of Agreement pertain to the agreement of the parties to provide for employment opportunities for laid off Company pilots at Feeder Carriers (as that term is defined in Section 1 B.7.c.(1) of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement) and employment opportunities at the Company for certain pilots of certain Feeder Carriers.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, the undersigned parties do hereby agree as follows:
A. Definitions.
1. “Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Domestic Air Carrier that is a Feeder Carrier (both as defined in Section 1 B.7.a. and Section 1 B.7.c.(1) of the Agreement) that has contracted with the Company to operate Qualifying Aircraft.
a. “Category 1 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is an Affiliate of the Company.
b. “Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is not an Affiliate of the Company and that operates Qualifying Aircraft that are owned, financed, leased, or sub-leased by the Company (not including the AVRO85 replacements at Mesaba Airlines).
c. “Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier” means a Participating Feeder Carrier that is not an Affiliate of the Company and that operates Qualifying Aircraft that are not owned, financed, leased or sub-leased by the Company.
2. “Qualifying Aircraft” means a 51-76 seat aircraft as defined in Section 1.B. 7.c.(1) of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement.
3. “Eligible Furloughed Pilot” means a pilot whose name appears on the Feeder Carrier Opportunity List.
4. “New Position” means a (Captain or First Officer) position on a Qualifying Aircraft that is created at a Category 1 or Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier as a result of a Participating Feeder Carrier’s taking delivery of, or announcing firm delivery of, Qualifying Aircraft after the effective date of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement. The number of New Positions at a Participating Feeder Carrier shall be determined without regard to whether pilots employed by the Participating Feeder Carrier are furloughed or remain on furlough.
5. “New Hire Position” means a New Pilot position at a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier.
6. “Backfill Position” means a position (Captain or First Officer) on a Qualifying Aircraft at a Participating Feeder Carrier that becomes open when an Eligible Furloughed Pilot vacates that position.
7. “Feeder Carrier Opportunity List” means the list maintained by the NWA MEC Membership Committee after review by all Participating Feeder Carriers pursuant to the terms of this Letter of Agreement.
B. Offers of Opportunity (Filling of Vacancies)
1. A Category 1 Participating Feeder Carrier shall make 100% of New Positions (Captain and First Officer) and 100% of Backfill Positions available to Eligible Furloughed Pilots.
2. A Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier shall make 50% of New Positions (Captain and First Officer) and 100% of Backfill Positions available to Eligible Furloughed Pilots, subject to conditions and restrictions that provide for efficient and timely processing and hiring of such Eligible Furloughed Pilots.
3. The Company will provide enhanced opportunities for a laid off Company pilot to obtain pilot employment at a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier. As part of the negotiation of a new ASA agreement, or to amend an existing ASA agreement with a Category 3 Participating Feeder Carrier, the Human Resources Departments of the Company and such Feeder Carrier will develop a mutually acceptable program that will serve to provide laid off Company pilots who meet all other pilot hiring criteria defined by such Feeder Carrier with “additional weighting” relative to other pilot candidates not already employed by such Feeder Carrier. Nothing in this program will guarantee that any laid off Company pilot will be hired ahead of other candidates who are not laid off Company pilots.
C. This Letter of Agreement shall become effective on the date set forth in Paragraph O. of Restructuring Letter of Agreement Number 1 (Letter 2006-01), and shall run concurrently with the NWA/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement, including any status quo period under the Railway Labor Act.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned parties have signed this Letter of Agreement this 31st day of July, 2006.

For AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION
Duane E. Woerth President
NWA MEC Chairman
Chairman Negotiating Committee (Northwest)
Member Negotiating Committee (Northwest)
Member Negotiating Committee (Northwest)

For NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
Vice President Labor Relations
Vice President Flight Operations/SOC
Director Flight Administration(!-- / message -->(!-- sig -->



They'll get the memo
 

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I don't think any DCI carrier got to vote whether Delta and NWA merged.
 

FightingIrish

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I don't think any DCI carrier got to vote whether Delta and NWA merged.

I'm not talking about voting for the merger. This flowback is in violation of our contract. How can you force this agreement on us?
 

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It doesn't go into effect unless DAL furloughs, and gives 51-76 seat jets to DCI. If ASA doesn't accept the flowback, they don't get any jets.
 

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It doesn't go into effect unless DAL furloughs, and gives 51-76 seat jets to DCI. If ASA doesn't accept the flowback, they don't get any jets.

Does it only apply to jets delivered after the furlough, or do the 900s now being delivered also apply?
 

FightingIrish

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After. It is to prevent DAL from growing DCI with pilots furloughed.

The agreement says:

4. “New Position” means a (Captain or First Officer) position on a Qualifying Aircraft that is created at a Category 1 or Category 2 Participating Feeder Carrier as a result of a Participating Feeder Carrier’s taking delivery of, or announcing firm delivery of, Qualifying Aircraft after the effective date of the ALPA Restructuring Agreement.

I have done work with the grievance committee and am familiar with contract language. This language doesn't seem to agree with what you said. The language indicates that it applies to any deliveries after the ALPA restructuring agreement. That would imply that it applies to the 900s we are currently taking delivery of.
 
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Does it only apply to jets delivered after the furlough, or do the 900s now being delivered also apply?

I think it applies to any one trick pony carrier that owes its existence to the flying given to them by Delta. You are welcome and prepare to scoot over to the right seat if I get furloughed.
 
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This letter of agreement applies to all DCI carriers. This agreement does go against some regional pilots' contracts. If they do not abide by it, it will go against the Delta pilots' contract. Something will give if Delta furloughs. I am guessing that Delta will force your regional company and pilots to accept it or lose airplanes to another regional that does accept it. Until Delta furloughs, it is a moot point though.
 

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It's all much ado about nothing....DAL will be hiring 500 this fall!!!
 

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Does anyone else think this thread is sad/funny?
 

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OK Delta pilots, this document is making it's way around. The ASA MEC says it doesn't apply to us here at ASA. Others seem to think it does. Can anyone clarify whether it applies to ASA or not. How can it since we didn't sign on to it?

Good gravy. Listen to your MEC and not the knuckle heads out there.
 

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Since when has a no furlough clause actually held managements feet to the fire and prevented a furlough?
 
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