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Delta pilots, does this apply to ASA?

clippyrip

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I actually relish the opportunity to fly with a prick like you!

You should, I'll teach you how to land in a crosswind on an icy runway. You have to learn that in the Bush and I'm betting you never had the brass to give that a go. It's the same reason I relish the opportunity to fly with you lil man.
 
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Scope out RJ's

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I actually relish the opportunity to fly with a prick like you!

You never will, cause clippydip isn't even a pilot! He's a permanent flight engineer (until the a/c are gone then most likely, so is he) and FNG!
Don't waste your time with this tool, he's just not worth it!

This message is hidden because clippyrip is on your *********************************** list.
 
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The pilots that should be the most worried are the Category 1 and 2 DCIs. Most of the DCIs are Category 3s.

Erlanger,
ASA and Skywest are Category 2 carriers because some of the aircraft are owned by Delta...
 

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Unless our MEC caves to EV and OH and asks DAL management to wipe away LOA 2006-10, it applies to ASA as you just got one of those 76 seaters. 9 more to go. Is it worth it to ya?

I know the two guys over there that are stirring the pot. Fact check what is being said.

I assume I am one of the two people you are talking about. You have "fact checked" what I have been saying regarding this issue. I maintain that DALPA believes this LOA does apply to ASA. You have confirmed that...If I am wrong....then you are wrong also...
 

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Joe, Dan Ford writes "Captain O'Malley appears to state that the special "Jets for Jobs" hiring requirements of LOA 2006-10 do not apply to ASA and Comair."
 
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I assume I am one of the two people you are talking about. You have "fact checked" what I have been saying regarding this issue. I maintain that DALPA believes this LOA does apply to ASA. You have confirmed that...If I am wrong....then you are wrong also...

Yes, you are one of the two. You know the other one. He is the one that does not have his facts straight..


FWIW, Tim's opinion is just that, it is non-binding.
 

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Let's all just hope this never actually becomes an issue.

There is alot in the mix if this happens, and the biggest deal is that nobody will be flying a 76-seat DCI jet if we furlough. If we furlough more than 400 at Delta all those 76-seaters will become 70-seaters. That is a huge revenue disadvantage for Delta and may just be the issue that brings those jets to mainline. We own the jets and we have the payrates for them so if Delta really wants the revenue advantage of a two class 76-seater, they might just decide to bring them to mainline. They could then fly them in a two class 80-seat configuration or an 88-seat coach configuration for the Shuttle. You might not have to even worry about us flying those airplanes at your affiliate carrier because they might just end up at Delta.
 

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Like the rest of the DCI op, there are nice long term contracts to those carriers.
 

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Oh I am sure they will, but keep 70 seats in them until they can put the six seats back in.
 

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Joe, Dan Ford writes "Captain O'Malley appears to state that the special "Jets for Jobs" hiring requirements of LOA 2006-10 do not apply to ASA and Comair."

The problem is Captain O'Malley doesn't have the authority to say that. If I see a letter from ALPA with Prater's signature on it, I will believe it....Why won't Prater put it in writing?
 

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Because he cannot arbitrary change language in a ALPA carriers contract. It is between DALPA and Delta Air Lines, Inc.
To define it, it needs to be changed, by the two signing parties. Now Prater approves the contract, but he is not going to go and do something that these two have not completely signed on to.

Joe you know this.
 

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The problem is Captain O'Malley doesn't have the authority to say that. If I see a letter from ALPA with Prater's signature on it, I will believe it....Why won't Prater put it in writing?

Captain O'Malley negotiated the contract. Intent is a huge part of any contract. O'Malley's view of the intent of the contract carries significantly more weight than Prater's.
 

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Because he cannot arbitrary change language in a ALPA carriers contract. It is between DALPA and Delta Air Lines, Inc.
To define it, it needs to be changed, by the two signing parties. Now Prater approves the contract, but he is not going to go and do something that these two have not completely signed on to.

Joe you know this.

I realize that....My point was to those who say O'Malley says it doesn't apply to ASA. You say it does. The language says it does. There seems to be some confusion as to whether it applies or not....It also seems that one side is not going to be happy either way....
 

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Captain O'Malley negotiated the contract. Intent is a huge part of any contract. O'Malley's view of the intent of the contract carries significantly more weight than Prater's.

Then why are some Delta pilots being told by DALPA that it does apply to ASA and CMR....Someone isn't being told the truth.....
 

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Then why are some Delta pilots being told by DALPA that it does apply to ASA and CMR....Someone isn't being told the truth.....
Joe, I think you are getting confused. Call Tim. I think you need to hear what his stance is.

I disagree with DALPA's non-official stance on this.
To make it official (The way you and DF want it, there needs to be an amendment to the PWA. With the new MEC, I am not sure that will happen. With DALPA you never know)

Legally it applies. Kind of like the company's interpretation of what and when counts as a mainline jet.


There was a meeting on this on Friday.
 
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Just give em back. If somebody else wants shiney jets, let THEM take the stupid 900's. Delta pilots can flow down with THEM. Or take them on property where they belong anyway!!
 

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Joe, I think you are getting confused. Call Tim. I think you need to hear what his stance is.

I disagree with DALPA's non-official stance on this.
To make it official (The way you and DF want it, there needs to be an amendment to the PWA. With the new MEC, I am not sure that will happen. With DALPA you never know)

Legally it applies. Kind of like the company's interpretation of what and when counts as a mainline jet.


There was a meeting on this on Friday.

Let's see if I have this right.....Legally, the document does apply to ASA and CMR, but your MEC is "choosing" to not apply it to ASA and CMR....Is that the position?
 
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