Delta Pilots Begin Vote

[FDJ2]

Let's see, USAir had more widebody flying, a richer contract and a contract that required more pilots, yet the arbitrator went against their unreasonable offer that totally favored the USAir group.

Excellent logic. Too easy.

AWA had higher pay rates, so you are wrong about the "richer" contract, DAL has significantly higher pay rates, even more so with LOA19.

AAA got credit for having wide bodied equipment when 517 of their pilots were stapled on the top of the list. Neither contract had much difference in work rules and manning, as opposed to the the additional 300+ pilots that would be required if DAL work rules were implemented, so there's no real correlation there.

However, what we did see was credit given for more wide bodied flying, and DAL has significantly more wide bodied equipment with more 777s on the way, and we also saw a ratioed integration between equivalent categories. This integration methodology would give DAL pilots better than relative seniority due to DAL having significantly more wide bodied aircraft and since there is no equivalent to the second officer and DC-9 first officer positions, I suspect they'll be at the bottom of the list.

 

[FDJ2]

If all matters are outstanding, then the arbitrator will resolve all.

At this time all matters are outstanding.

Also, there has never been an award that I am aware of that has a dynamic list. If you know of one, I'd be interested in knowing more about it.

 

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FDJ2:

Thanks.

For some reason the NWA pilots seem to think that DALPA will tie its hands and conceede to the relative seniority position (a win for the NWA pilots) while allowing arbitration to proceed to determine how much more the NW pilots are going to get with their dynamic seniority concept (going from win to windfall).

That is not going to happen. Having both sides walk up brandishing staplers is a more likely scenario.

Just because DALPA has been rational and fair up to this point (and will continue to be in negotiations) should not be interpreted as stipulating to anything once the gloves come off.

If status quo prevails (as I think it will) then the NWA MEC has helped the junior Delta pilots by not accepting the concessionary offer the D ALPA Merger Committee made during their effort to get a deal.

JMHO.

 

[800Dog]

Voted no. Will pass 74/26!

 

[FDJ2]

Voted no. Will pass 74/26!

Voted yes for the first time in a long time.

 

[General Lee]

Add another YES.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I will pass by a good margin. The road shows answered a lot of questions.

 

[JOPILOT]

On the fence, probably vote yes...I don't think even a small percentage of NWA pilots would consider passing up extra $ for my sake. There will be fair negotiations after corporate closure anyhow right? NOT. I think the NWA MEC has missed a golden opportunity...it is not fair to their rank and file.

JP

 

[dbrownie]

On the fence, probably vote yes...I don't think even a small percentage of NWA pilots would consider passing up extra $ for my sake. There will be fair negotiations after corporate closure anyhow right? NOT. I think the NWA MEC has missed a golden opportunity...it is not fair to their rank and file.

JP

At first I thought this letter was a slap in the face

towards us NWA pilots, the more I read the more I

see it is not (some guys will take it that way).

If you have a chance to get money out of mgt

by all means take it, don't think for a second

R Anderson won't stab you at his first chance.

We have seen him in action before.

Also are being told your MEC gave us a "take it or

leave it option" if that is true I am glad we didn't

take the first one. The 1000 phantom slots would

have been enough for me to say no.

I don't believe everything our mec tells us nor should

you about yours! There are big pilot egos in play.

At some point we will have to work together.I am

confident after all the name calling and chest puffing

we can get this done.....In my opinion.

DB

 

[737 Pylt]

Voted yes for the first time in a long time.

Ditto!

737

 

[FDJ2]

Also are being told your MEC gave us a "take it or

leave it option" if that is true I am glad we didn't

take the first one.

Don't put too much credence in comments like "take it or leave it". Anyone can characterize a position at the end of a negotiation that fails to result in an agreement as a "take it or leave it" position.

For example, if you're in a car dealership haggling over the price of a car and don't come to an agreement with the salesman, was your last offer a take it or leave it position, or was his last offer a take it or leave it position?

 

[DTW320]

Don't put too much credence in comments like "take it or leave it". Anyone can characterize a position at the end of a negotiation that fails to result in an agreement as a "take it or leave it" position.

For example, if you're in a car dealership haggling over the price of a car and don't come to an agreement with the salesman, was your last offer a take it or leave it position, or was his last offer a take it or leave it position?

I don't know as I wasn't there, but you HAVE to admit that there have been a lot of DAL folks here saying over and over that DALPA's position was that they had formulated a "fair" proposal and did not come to negotiate as the time frame did not allow for that. In other words, the first sentence of your post should be directed at most of your DAL buds that live here on FI. Or I guess I could say that your comment:

Don't put too much credence in comments like "take it or leave it"

therefore means not to put too much credence in a lot of your side's posts here on the subject. Fortunately,....I already knew that

 

[800Dog]

Voted no. Will pass 74/26!

I was so close! Passed 78/22.

 

[JohnQ]

I predicted 80/20. I am surprised that a full 25% of the eligible voters did not vote at all. Unbelievable.

For the NWA guys, remember this: this is ONLY an insurance policy against a long, torturous process a la USAir.

We do NOT want LOA 19 to take effect at all: we want a joint contract and negotiated SLI to both be effective by the DCC, rendering LOA 19 obsolete and never in effect.

Cheers to a combined great carrier and pilot group.

 

[FDJ2]

I predicted 80/20. I am surprised that a full 25% of the eligible voters did not vote at all. Unbelievable.

I'm not too surprised, given the short voting window and the new voting procedures. Other than assessments and strike authorizations, LOA19 had the second highest vote in favor percentage in Delta history.