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Delta Pilots Association-Yes!!!

FBN0223

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Top 10 reasons to get your DPA card in today.

1. Financial transparency to members – One click access to ALL the financials is available to EVERY DPA Member. Once you are a member, login and click “DPA Finance Log” in the sidebar. External audits will validate the data the Members ALREADY have. We will know our dues are being spent wisely.

2. Financial efficiency – NO subsidizing the regional carriers who want our flying. How our current dues are distributed: More than 16% (approx. $689,000 in 2010) of the MECʼs account allocation for operating income is redistributed to smaller ALPA carriers. ALL DPA dues go completely to meeting Delta Pilotsʼ needs and desires.

3. Financial responsibility – Reduce excessive and unnecessary spending of Member dues. (For example - $6,500/mo housing allowance for the President, $4,500/ mo housing allowance for V.P.s, $1,600/mo car allowance, $498,000 annual compensation for the President, $120,000/year secretaries, $175,000/year magazine editors, massive bonus pensions, $329.00 per night hotel rooms, $260 per day per diem, etc.)*****DPA Officers and Block Reps will fly partial lines every month and will earn a reasonable reward for service to the Delta Pilots.

4. Seniority Block Representation – Your Rep comes from your seniority group regardless of base affiliation, promoting cohesion, participation and involvement in YOUR issues through technology. The Reps know the issues of their constituents because they are living the successes and trials of their group. Get to know your seniority block Members and your Block Rep. Establish communication and common goals for your group. Move your ideas forward. Keep your Block Rep indefinitely if he or she is representing you effectively; remove them if they are not. Participate in Block surveys with real-time feedback keeping Reps accountable for Membersʼ wishes.

5. True “Bottom Up” representation – the Block Reps dictate to the President who is simply voicing the Membersʼ desires...not the other way around. (Remember the Age 60 legislation survey where the Members overwhelmingly said, “Donʼt support a change!”, but the leadership defied that mandate entirely! Whether or not you agree with the change, it is a clear example of failure to respect member desires.)

6. Professional Negotiators/Contract Lawyers/Accountants – No more pilots in the seat negotiating complex legal documents......the pilots state their desires and the pros handle it unemotionally without personal agendas. The President will read and understand the Contract before he/she signs it. Contracts will be simpler and written with a focus on enforcement and less loopholes.

7. Freedom to take back flying without fear of lawsuits from the regional carriers who share membership in ALPA with us – No Duty of Fair Representation conflicts with regional affiliates. (see Ford/Cooksey vs. ALPA).

8. Freedom to seek changes to our profession that help us – CAPA (Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations), the current voice for over 28,000 pilots at its member airlines: Allied Pilots Association (American Airlines), Independent Pilots Association (UPS), Southwest Airlines Pilots Association (Southwest Airlines), and US Airline Pilots Association (US Airways). CAPA wants an ATP requirement for 121 flight decks; ALPA thinks 1500 hours is too high and should be reduced.

9. Freedom to lower our dues to 1% from 1.95% while adding new Member benefits along the way with the huge surplus that comes from efficiency.

10. Freedom to seek what is best for Delta Pilots exclusively.
 

redflyer65

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ALPA is a sinking ship. I think it would be a great move to go in-house, all great reasons. Good luck.
 

BILL LUMBERG

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No Plan... no future.....That's DPA.

Just a disgruntled F/O mad about how the seniority list fell......Nothing to see here!
 

On Your Six

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It has gotten ALPA nervous, about half of my Wilson Polling questions concerned the DPA. Getting ALPA nervous, that's a good thing.



OYS
 

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Sounds great, where do I sign up? Oh wait I am the regional guy who is suppose to want your flying..... you jack hole. Most of us regional guys want to be at a major and not flying anything at a regional. It is your senior guys who sell out our industry and my future job to your greedy executives who know that your guys are just as greedy (and stupid) that if they dangle some short term pay raises to sell away your 100 seat planes you will accept. Need I say this is at the expense of your Jr pilots and the the regional guys who want those jobs? Promote your DAL in a way that does not bash the regional pilots-it is mostly your management who wants to outsource and the regional industry who want the 76-100 seat flying who are to blame.
 

jynxyjericho

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You all are forgetting, it's all the regionals fault. We sold out their scope in a secret agreement with ALPA. We put all of our pennies together, still couldn't afford an overpriced beer at the Marriott and controlled the course and direction of all bargaining and bankruptcies since. It's been quite a coup, but we've been found out boys. Quick take those RJ's and run for the hills, because mainline is taking it all back.


Bah hahahaha
 

PCL_128

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The DPA is a miserable failure. It's taken them a year to get a few thousand cards, and under the law, the cards expire after a year. So, those cards you collected at the beginning are about to start expiring, and then you have to get new cards from the same people again, let alone convincing new lemmings to go along with this crazy scheme. You'll never get the 50% you need just to hold an election, let alone actually win an election. You should end the silliness and focus on getting a new contract.
 

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In house unions are all crazy schemes, I mean, who has ever seen a profitable airline with an in house union? PCL is right, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, where has ALPA ever failed it's membership?
 

BILL LUMBERG

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People....XJ hit it on the head.....

It doesn't matter WHO represents us. We voted for EVERYTHING that has come down at this place....scope? Voted for it.....RJs.....voted for them too....

Delta Pilots need to stare at the mirror if they want to know the problem. A new union won't fix that.

Hey Scoreboard? How did the NPA at Airtran do? Or maybe the APA and their 5+year fight for a contract? or how about FAPA?.......yeah, i'll take my chances with ALPA. Southwest is just one example of one that may have worked....and don't bring the IPA into this either....apples and oranges.

Laters.....I gotta go take a CAPA!!!
 

BILL LUMBERG

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You're speaking of ALPA. Get your card in Bill, you'll thank me. Cheers

Super!! Then can I get a lanyard and those cool stickers you guys are rocking? All that swag, with no plan for the future....

I've seen your "org chart"......I wouldn't let most of those people negotiate a winding road!
 

BILL LUMBERG

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It has gotten ALPA nervous, about half of my Wilson Polling questions concerned the DPA. Getting ALPA nervous, that's a good thing.



OYS

That's True!!!
 

Dizel8

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Huh?
I would imagine management is pretty excited about such a concept.
 

Dan Roman

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People....XJ hit it on the head.....

It doesn't matter WHO represents us. We voted for EVERYTHING that has come down at this place....scope? Voted for it.....RJs.....voted for them too....

Delta Pilots need to stare at the mirror if they want to know the problem. A new union won't fix that.

Hey Scoreboard? How did the NPA at Airtran do? Or maybe the APA and their 5+year fight for a contract? or how about FAPA?.......yeah, i'll take my chances with ALPA. Southwest is just one example of one that may have worked....and don't bring the IPA into this either....apples and oranges.

Laters.....I gotta go take a CAPA!!!



Don't forget USAPA, You are correct about SWAPA. Any success they have had can be thanks too enlightend management as much as anything else. It's pretty weak to try and recommend an in house union to someone who doesn't enjoy the same dynamic.
 

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Oh and I must say ALPA is not perfect but just remember that MOST who work for ALPA (and arguably the hardest) are volunteers and are helping you out by fighting the company while they could be at home with their family. I have not been pleased with a lot of things ALPA has done and voice my opinion and fight for what I think should be done (as is my right), but stand behind my union and my reps.

disclaimer-I am pretty bitter that ALPA does not have a solid merger policy in effect. I cannot believe an organization would leave its members at the discression of an arbitrator. I lost about half my seniority in the Mesaba/Pinnacle/colgan merger. Some gained 10% while some lost about that much. Why would ALPA allow a group to lose so much (relative-DOH-longevity-) while giving it to another group? Even my career expectations were not honored. ALPA-you need to have a policy in effect to stop such things from happening. If we all know ALPA's merger policy-then we go into it eyes wide open. As it sits, many of us were stabbed in the back by ALPA's lack of a national policy.
 

BILL LUMBERG

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XJ....welcome to the club.....now get furloughed and a divorce and you are a real airline pilot!

No Merger policy can be a one-size-fits-all. Every one of them will go to an arbiter....no question.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, unions are 50% the people YOU elect and 50% National politics. If the RLA states that you must jump through these hoops, then by God you will have to. If a judge is about to place an unfavorable ruling on your group, there is very little any union can do to defend against that. It's the law of the land.
 
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