Delta Not Hiring

[FBN0223]

I've heard we're closer to hiring than furloughing. Is everyone considering the fact that we are aggressively retiring the DC9 fleet? The fleet will be gone in less than two years. Looking at the bid list for December 2009, there are 793 DC9 CAs/FOs. Personally, I doubt we'll furlough but conventional wisdom says 3-5 years before hiring resumes.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

This is no place to be spouting off logic. Stop making sense.

 

[General Lee]

I've heard we're closer to hiring than furloughing. Is everyone considering the fact that we are aggressively retiring the DC9 fleet? The fleet will be gone in less than two years. Looking at the bid list for December 2009, there are 793 DC9 CAs/FOs. Personally, I doubt we'll furlough but conventional wisdom says 3-5 years before hiring resumes.

We are getting 9 more MD90s next year for growth purposes, with more behind that (60-65 total eventually), and 2 777s. New work rules (NWA side) and FAA rest rules will make it interesting too. And, if we have huge bids (MOABs), there will be a lot of people in training for 6-8 weeks at a time, also waiting for IOEs and TOEs. Also, besides the extra MD90s coming online, RA says we will "grow" again by just bringing back the planes we have recently parked. It is like getting new planes all over again. Do you know how many 757s are parked? Some A333s just went to the boneyard until next Spring. If they do bring up the block hours like they say they MIGHT, it would be like getting a new fleet. You never know........they did just open the application process again...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[volav8r1]

I've heard we're closer to hiring than furloughing. Is everyone considering the fact that we are aggressively retiring the DC9 fleet? The fleet will be gone in less than two years. Looking at the bid list for December 2009, there are 793 DC9 CAs/FOs. Personally, I doubt we'll furlough but conventional wisdom says 3-5 years before hiring resumes.

We're not retiring the full DC-9 fleet, just the 30's & 40's (for now). That is roughly 1/2 the fleet of "9's". According to the guys "in the know" at NATCO we can expect to see the -50's around for a few years to come. They did not spend the money to paint the -50's just to park them next year. I agree they are on the way out, but i'm not buying "less than two years".

Vol

 

[BID]

If they opened the application process, I think that says a lot. The company must be thinking about hiring.

 

[lookin4better]

I think so too, and on another thread in the regionals section, Compass is talking of hiring about 60 more pilots ( no new aircraft are coming for them ). If there were about 400ish hired at Delta, about 60 or so coming from Compass via the flow would make sense.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I think so too, and on another thread in the regionals section, Compass is talking of hiring about 60 more pilots ( no new aircraft are coming for them ). If there were about 400ish hired at Delta, about 60 or so coming from Compass via the flow would make sense.

Delta is allowed to take 25% of the list (360*.25) so 90 would make more sense.

They also keep telling us that our a/c utilization is increasing and that is the reason for hiring. Who really knows?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Of course DAL will not admit to hiring. (Legal tight rope)

Gen is correct, and if you look past the next year the need for pilots is going to go through the roof. It is better to start adding bodies now, than to wait too long and have the operation need bodies to maintain when we would need them to grow. In three years the economy is going to be kicking, and when it is, DAL starts a steady flow of old farts out the door. Even a few 100 a year makes it really hard to replace attrition and grow at the same time

On a side note, I have no idea how they are going to deal with the few years we are going to be shucking 800+ out the door.

 

[exeagle]

retirement #s

Of course DAL will not admit to hiring. (Legal tight rope)

Gen is correct, and if you look past the next year the need for pilots is going to go through the roof. It is better to start adding bodies now, than to wait too long and have the operation need bodies to maintain when we would need them to grow. In three years the economy is going to be kicking, and when it is, DAL starts a steady flow of old farts out the door. Even a few 100 a year makes it really hard to replace attrition and grow at the same time

On a side note, I have no idea how they are going to deal with the few years we are going to be shucking 800+ out the door.

Probably posted before but....retirement #s for Delta....

Year Age 65 Retirements
2009 1
2010 7
2011 9
2012 18
2013 121
2014 207
2015 272
2016 325
2017 381
2018 472
2019 560
2020 650
2021 833
2022 877
2023 831
2024 817
2025 731
2026 632
2027 529
2028 503
2029 500
2030 534
2031 468
2032 389
2033 312
2034 225
2035 162
2036 154
2037 118
2038 92
2039 79
2040 63
2041 49
2042 55
2043 8
*Note: Missing years indicate no age 65 retirement of pilots senior to you

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Are those just DAL-S or the entire list?

 

[samballs]

Well in 1 week you guys have created 7 openings. If that rate keeps up, be hiring next year

 

[exeagle]

are those just dal-s or the entire list?

dal n and s

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Entire list. Also remember that these are best case. We just had 195 guys take it this year!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Of this remember that age 65 took effect 12.13.2007 so 12.14.2012 will yield the first 65 retirees. (Of note I have flown with a few 60+ers and all but one are punching at 63.

 

[lookin4better]

Delta is allowed to take 25% of the list (360*.25) so 90 would make more sense.

They also keep telling us that our a/c utilization is increasing and that is the reason for hiring. Who really knows?

Right, who knows.. however, Delta can limit the amount of numbers they take from Compass to whatever they want ( I know what the flowthrough says-- but real world actions are and most likely will be different-- its just how business works). They are not going to put themselves in a shortage problem on the regional side of things. There is precedent here for many airlines in the past when hiring from their regionals. They dont shoot themselves in the foot.

But one thing is for sure... and that is "who knows". They could take all 90-ish ( or a % amount depending on the possible amount being hired).

I think Delta is planning to hire a few hundred...my guess is starting early next year.... I had a fortune teller read it from some grains of coffee!

But in the end... who knows.

 

[lookin4better]

Of course DAL will not admit to hiring. (Legal tight rope)

Gen is correct, and if you look past the next year the need for pilots is going to go through the roof. It is better to start adding bodies now, than to wait too long and have the operation need bodies to maintain when we would need them to grow. In three years the economy is going to be kicking, and when it is, DAL starts a steady flow of old farts out the door. Even a few 100 a year makes it really hard to replace attrition and grow at the same time

On a side note, I have no idea how they are going to deal with the few years we are going to be shucking 800+ out the door.

Great points!

Too many people are thinking doom and gloom because of how "things" are today or at a snapshot in time.... time keeps ticking and things change day to day. And getting in front of the ball is only prudent planning on DALs part.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Right, who knows.. however, Delta can limit the amount of numbers they take from Compass to whatever they want ( I know what the flowthrough says-- but real world actions are and most likely will be different-- its just how business works). They are not going to put themselves in a shortage problem on the regional side of things. There is precedent here for many airlines in the past when hiring from their regionals. They dont shoot themselves in the foot.

But one thing is for sure... and that is "who knows". They could take all 90-ish ( or a % amount depending on the possible amount being hired).

I think Delta is planning to hire a few hundred...my guess is starting early next year.... I had a fortune teller read it from some grains of coffee!

But in the end... who knows.

I agree they wont let a disruption happen at compass so I would think Delta would give compass a heads up to hire in advance of delta hiring.

In fact talking to folks from the compass HR department they meet with delta HR on a regular basis concerning this point.

Also within the agreement it allows Compass to retain flow pilots for 3 months to hire replacements. The retained pilot is given a seniority number at Delta on what would have been his or her original class date.

But we are all speculating at this point!

 

[mynameisjim]

In the past when Delta has hired, how big are their classes?

 

[Ad Lib]

25 to 50 twice a month. But it could be different this time, if they are hiring.

 

[JOPILOT]

I think you guys are all smoking crack! It would shock me if
we actually hire in the next 12 months, but I hope to god you are
right...a long ways from what we were thinking like 3 months ago on
this forum