Delta New Hires

[NDPILOT]

Why would there suddenly be excess Compass E175s available for new West Coast routes like LAX hourly to SFO and SFO to SEA? Could it be 717s moving into DTW? /QUOTE]

DL moved the Compass jets from LGA to LAX and gave the LGA shuttle to someone else. Compass has a very minimal presence in DTW.

 

[redflyer65]

Btw, those E175s are just a bit smaller than your 735s, and those 735s probably fly between those cities with 40+ million people, too. Plus, the E175s have first class seats that are more comfortable than yours.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I have the Gen on ignore for awhile, then turn him back on and see this.

I love it.

He's actually justifying E175 flying between two huge cities and comparing a regional jet to a full size narrow body? Laughable. I can see DL frequent fliers going for the minimal first class on an E175...but in the end, it's still an uncomfortable regional jet. The only good thing for the px is it's a short flight, unlike some 3+ hours flights out there under Delta Connection.

I love the billboard at the entrance of LAX....first class seats on every flight between LAX and SFO. Small print under the bottom right 'provided by outsourced Delta Connection planes'. Very cool.

There's been a lot of new Delta flying announced recently (just like this LAX-SFO), but a ton of it is just on outsourced partners. Not sure that's 'growth', but whatever.

The General never disappoints on the Village Idiot entertainment. And Yes Wave, he really is that dumb. Just like when he post the quote below as OYS.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Red,

I have never defended the RJs doing our flying, but the Ejets aren't RJs, they are as comfortable as a mainline plane and they can carry rollaboards in the cabin.....and no middle seats like on your 737 and my 767. Don't knock it til you tried it.

 

[General Lee]

Red also doesn't understand that as DL receives new planes, like 717s, bigger RJs are either bumped down to fly outgoing 50 seated routes, or new routes that may eventually have mainline planes on them. With a $1.3 billion profit in ONE quarter, obviously the mainline planes are doing well on current routes, but as 717s come online, maybe they will replace those E175s on those West Coast routes, and DL will capitalize on those routes with Corndog coach or a worse quality first class service. You gotta capitalize on certain situations, and if you don't have enough spare mainline planes available, larger RJs may do for awhile. It's more comfortable for business people compared to a Corndog 733.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I also understand that your new 717's are pretty much just replacing your DC-9's (plus or minus a couple of airframes). I just read the article about the last one being retired next month. I hate to tell you Gen, your pretty much just replacing planes with anything new that comes on the ramp. Face it, Delta really has no growth on the horizon (just replacements and moving airframes around the system). That's why you keep talking about the retirements. That's really all you HAVE to talk about. When does that start again? FIVE years from now? I wonder what growth SW might have by then? Hmmmm.

Hate to tell you, but it doesn't beat a 300 that's been paid off for 10 years and is easily twice as comfortable because of the width alone. So you enjoy making those lease payments along with the massive pension debt that's hanging over Delta's head. In the meantime we'll continue to fly our fleet that's 85% paid in full. Very few leases. Oh and NO regional jets or pension obligations. See how that really affects the balance sheet of the two companies? Sure you do.

And Bill,
I've ridden on an E175 and it's still a regional jet. SLIGHTLY better than a CRJ700..but not by much. And travelers know that. The Delta billboard at LAX is a joke. Put a real plane on it if you think you can compete. RA obviously likes to use the outsourced labor to try and make the numbers work. LA has 4 million people. SF has roughly 2 million and you guys aren't flying a mainline plane between those two? It's just makes DALPA look like they've been played, again and again like crack addict. Review Wave's definition of sellouts. This route is THE prime example.

 

[General Lee]

Red,

Incorrect. The 717 is smaller than the Dc9-50, and more comparable to the DC-9-30. Last year DL received 14 MD90s, which were to replace the DC95s, but they were kept on longer because of the continuing profits. 17 DC95s will be parked by Jan 6th, and the MD90s are now done with their mods in GSO and ready to replace them. The 717s will bump large RJs and recapture old mainline routes.

Btw, the MD90s supposedly cost between $8-9 million each, including the engines. The 717 lease agreements were a FANTASTIC deal, you know that. The DC95s were paid off long ago, well before your 733s. And, $1.3 billion quarters will pay off debt, pensions, and planes. Good luck to you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I also understand that your new 717's are pretty much just replacing your DC-9's (plus or minus a couple of airframes). I just read the article about the last one being retired next month. I hate to tell you Gen, your pretty much just replacing planes with anything new that comes on the ramp. Face it, Delta really has no growth on the horizon (just replacements and moving airframes around the system). That's why you keep talking about the retirements. That's really all you HAVE to talk about. When does that start again? FIVE years from now? I wonder what growth SW might have by then? Hmmmm.

Hate to tell you, but it doesn't beat a 300 that's been paid off for 10 years and is easily twice as comfortable because of the width alone. So you enjoy making those lease payments along with the massive pension debt that's hanging over Delta's head. In the meantime we'll continue to fly our fleet that's 85% paid in full. Very few leases. Oh and NO regional jets or pension obligations. See how that really affects the balance sheet of the two companies? Sure you do.

And Bill,
I've ridden on an E175 and it's still a regional jet. SLIGHTLY better than a CRJ700..but not by much. And travelers know that. The Delta billboard at LAX is a joke. Put a real plane on it if you think you can compete. RA obviously likes to use the outsourced labor to try and make the numbers work. LA has 4 million people. SF has roughly 2 million and you guys aren't flying a mainline plane between those two? It's just makes DALPA look like they've been played, again and again like crack addict. Review Wave's definition of sellouts. This route is THE prime example.

Red,

Thanks for pointing out our "pension" debt. It's fully funded for the rest of the SHEEPLE here at Delta. I also want to thank all the Southwest pilots and SWAPA for negotiating a pension into their contracts......what's that? You never had a pension? Or negotiated for one? Leaders of the industry? Talk about a sellout....Southwest was the last place anybody went because they never paid a pension or a decent wage or had any real work rules and now you run on here like a petulant child pointing out debt loads? Why didn't you guys stand up and say "pay me a pension!"? Why didn't you stand up and say enough pay for training? If you consider flag ties and leather jackets a victory, have at it.

You got a real set of stones to get on a Delta thread about new hires and pi$$ all over my airline. Dropping bets about growth in five years? Really? You think it matters? When Gary wrings out the fluff out of your contract, you'll once again be the anchor that has dragged this industry down since you were a Wild Turkey spill on Herb's napkin.

That's rich....you talking about growth when all ya got in your future is more 737 replacements. Tell your pipe dream to an AirTran pilot about how awesome the opportunities are there.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Red,

Thanks for pointing out our "pension" debt. It's fully funded for the rest of the SHEEPLE here at Delta. I also want to thank all the Southwest pilots and SWAPA for negotiating a pension into their contracts......what's that? You never had a pension? Or negotiated for one? Leaders of the industry? Talk about a sellout....Southwest was the last place anybody went because they never paid a pension or a decent wage or had any real work rules and now you run on here like a petulant child pointing out debt loads? Why didn't you guys stand up and say "pay me a pension!"? Why didn't you stand up and say enough pay for training? If you consider flag ties and leather jackets a victory, have at it.

You got a real set of stones to get on a Delta thread about new hires and pi$$ all over my airline. Dropping bets about growth in five years? Really? You think it matters? When Gary wrings out the fluff out of your contract, you'll once again be the anchor that has dragged this industry down since you were a Wild Turkey spill on Herb's napkin.

That's rich....you talking about growth when all ya got in your future is more 737 replacements. Tell your pipe dream to an AirTran pilot about how awesome the opportunities are there.

Hey Billdo!

How far is your cubicle from Genitals? OK, now that you have read this, you can put be back on ignore.

 

[redflyer65]

Red,

Thanks for pointing out our "pension" debt. It's fully funded for the rest of the SHEEPLE here at Delta. I also want to thank all the Southwest pilots and SWAPA for negotiating a pension into their contracts......what's that? You never had a pension? Or negotiated for one? Leaders of the industry? Talk about a sellout....Southwest was the last place anybody went because they never paid a pension or a decent wage or had any real work rules and now you run on here like a petulant child pointing out debt loads? Why didn't you guys stand up and say "pay me a pension!"? Why didn't you stand up and say enough pay for training? If you consider flag ties and leather jackets a victory, have at it.

You got a real set of stones to get on a Delta thread about new hires and pi$$ all over my airline. Dropping bets about growth in five years? Really? You think it matters? When Gary wrings out the fluff out of your contract, you'll once again be the anchor that has dragged this industry down since you were a Wild Turkey spill on Herb's napkin.

That's rich....you talking about growth when all ya got in your future is more 737 replacements. Tell your pipe dream to an AirTran pilot about how awesome the opportunities are there.

You need to do your homework a little more Bill. It wasn't about the pension like it was at the ALPA carriers like Delta. You realized all those guys received massive stock options right? You know, the ones that split like four times with a strike price in the single digits? You do understand how options work don't you Bill? Those guys all retired multi-millions at the same time Delta was gutting your highly touted pension.

The stock options they received helped them prosper in Southwest's success, your pension helped strangle Delta's profits. Is that the pension your talking about? Yea, that worked out great didn't it?

Sorry I hijacked your Delta hiring thread. I honestly think that's great for your company and the industry as a whole. But I have to call BS when the Gen steps in with his big growth mantra and it's on a regional jet. I think you'd probably agree with me on that one. I like the leather jacket and flag tie vs. the Riverboat Jacket/Hat and plenty of anal captains....so to each there own.

 

[waveflyer]

Hasn't this thread been done a 100 times??

Back to hiring- how do delta pilots feel about hiring pilots with no pic?

 

[Stugatz78]

Not to change gears, but where do the new Delta guys stay for training? I heard that newhires have to pay for their own housing, is that true?

 

[redflyer65]

Hasn't this thread been done a 100 times??

Back to hiring- how do delta pilots feel about hiring pilots with no pic?

Completely agree!

General back on ignore.

Again, congrats on Delta hiring. Good luck to those with interviews. I know United made guys pay for housing, but hadn't heard if DL does.

 

[Stugatz78]

Thanks

 

[Waylon]

From what I have heard Delta picks up the hotel for indoc and you have to pay for your hotel the rest of the time. I heard new hires either stay at a Motel 6 or Super 8 anyone know which one it is.

 

[sat74]

Motel 6 or Super 8

Wow. Real classy Delta!

 

[CCDiscoB]

... I know United made guys pay for housing, but hadn't heard if DL does.

I think that is old data. United does pay for housing during training. Last I read DL does not pay for housing.

 

[redflyer65]

I think that is old data. United does pay for housing during training. Last I read DL does not pay for housing.

That's good to hear about United.

 

[waveflyer]

No PIC- that's an odd concept at a major- not in the pilot's control, but that seems like mgmt games.

A little more likely to vote yes?

How are they in the flight deck-?

I learned so much switching seats so often in my career- my FO time is valuable, but I AM A better FO now bc I have sat captain so often. And up to a legacy FO, and back to a regional FO, then regional capt, then charter FO, charter capt, now major FO agai
Seeing both sides so often helps-

What's the logic behind justifying a major airline hire with NO PIC.

That's a bit crazy to me even if I'm sure many are talented and good

 

[Waylon]

When Delta pays it's the Renaissance Hotel, sorry for the confusion.

 

[General Lee]

I think that is old data. United does pay for housing during training. Last I read DL does not pay for housing.

DL gives two weeks of hotel and then you get a paycheck every two weeks. Current pay for new hires is $68 an hour, which is $28 more per hour than AA/US, and a lot higher than most. Plus, you don't have to pay extra for a 737 type rating.... Plus, 5000 pilots will retire over the next decade.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Waylon]

I am not complaining, a Delta new hire will make more than any other Legacy new hire there first year. Not just in take home pay but 401k matching, it all adds up. 1300.00 bucks for a room is still cheaper than 7000 for a type rating.

 

[sat74]

Why do pilots always accept mediocrity when we should demand so much more for the utter bs we put up with? Hotel should be paid during training. Nothing less. Enough of the nonsense. The cost to the company is nothing when you're making a billion gazinks.

 

[Monster Buck]

delta pays for hotel in indoc, pilot picks it up for rest of month, about 400 for a shared place near training center. numerous places to stay at. as far as hotels no american legacy stays at better hotels overall worldwide. some small towns dont have great places to stay but overall our hotels are very nice.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I am not complaining, a Delta new hire will make more than any other Legacy new hire there first year. Not just in take home pay but 401k matching, it all adds up. 1300.00 bucks for a room is still cheaper than 7000 for a type rating.

Not a small point... Deltas 401K contributions are not matching, they are additional money above your hourly rate. You don't have to put in a penny to get them. At 69 per hour, you get 10.35 additional deposited in your 401k, so you're really getting 79.35 per hour.

 

[mesaba13]

NWAf16 that is a great way to look at it. I have saved quite a bit of money but was still concerned about first year pay but when you put it in those terms I really will only be making $7 per hour less than a reserve pay at Endeavor. At year 2 it is a raise for sure.

I thought the DAL 401K was 12% but it looks like your math show 15%?

 

[nwaf16dude]

It goes to 15 percent on 1 Jan.

 

[General Lee]

NWAf16 that is a great way to look at it. I have saved quite a bit of money but was still concerned about first year pay but when you put it in those terms I really will only be making $7 per hour less than a reserve pay at Endeavor. At year 2 it is a raise for sure.

I thought the DAL 401K was 12% but it looks like your math show 15%?

It was 12% into the DC fund, plus a 2% match onto the 401K. They are merging the two Jan 1st, plus adding 1% Jan 1st via the contract anyway. So, you get 15% of whatever you make for the month put into a Fidelity account, and you don't have to add anything yourself. Other carriers require you to put in something and they will "match" up to 9%. This requires zero. If you make $10K in a month, DL would add $1500 into the retirement account. That is also true for the profit sharing check on Feb 14th each year. So, you get the profit sharing check, plus an additional 15% on the 14th, then you get you regular check on the 15th, plus an additional 15% again on that check. February has a lot of DC contributions. And, you can add more of your own if you want also. People can max out on those contributions for the year if they want.



Bye Bye---General Lee