Delta New Hires

[Quack]

Any Delta people have an idea when they will assign new hire class dates for January or if they have already started placing people into classes? Thnx

 

[tailhookah]

Last recall class is 1/6. Heard new hires sometime after that. Also heard that flow ups are being held at compass so maybe all new hires after the last recall class. I know nothing more.

I am in the last recall class.

Tail

 

[Waylon]

9 XJ flows will be in the Jan 13 class.

 

[pb4ufly]

1 off-the-street in 13 Jan
some off-the-street in 27 Jan
some 15 Oct interview with no class date

 

[Waylon]

What is the usual class size?

 

[lakemead1]

What is the usual class size?

My class in 08 was 32. 16 civ, and 16 mil.

 

[Quack]

Thnx...

 

[Waylon]

Thanks lakemead1

 

[General Lee]

Rumors abound stating 600 max per year, primarily because there will plenty of internal trainings due to continual retirements and resulting upgrades etc. 5000 pilots are due to retire in the next 10 years, with 2020-2023 having over 800 pilots retire each of the 4 years, and then 650 in 2024. When one top guy retires off of a wide body Capt seat, up to 8 or 9 people move up also, thanks to the different plane types and currently different pay for each plane. (Not much pay banding except 744/777 and 765/330). So, if 800 Capts leave in one year, you can see the resulting training that could happen, and that could mean huge upward movement over a few years. Good times....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

Wow! Most junior CA (Maddog NYC) went to a 8,200ish seniority number with approx. 11,700ish on the list.

 

[General Lee]

Wow! Most junior CA (Maddog NYC) went to a 8,200ish seniority number with approx. 11,700ish on the list.

There were also 10 ATL 777 FO awards, and two of them were MD88 Captains (in the 4000 range) and one 320 Capt.(in the 3000 range). Some guys get sick of domestic flying....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Bc DALPA sells out domestic flying

Truly- you should leave all that to Skywest- they can at least stay on the runway.

Is that the qual's for delta pilot? No PIC necessary- just a willingness to sellout?

 

[hockeypilot44]

Rumors abound stating 600 max per year, primarily because there will plenty of internal trainings due to continual retirements and resulting upgrades etc. 5000 pilots are due to retire in the next 10 years, with 2020-2023 having over 800 pilots retire each of the 4 years, and then 650 in 2024. When one top guy retires off of a wide body Capt seat, up to 8 or 9 people move up also, thanks to the different plane types and currently different pay for each plane. (Not much pay banding except 744/777 and 765/330). So, if 800 Capts leave in one year, you can see the resulting training that could happen, and that could mean huge upward movement over a few years. Good times....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Officially, hiring stands at 300 in 2014. When one guy retires off a wide-body seat, there are only a couple training events. First of all, they are not replacing the retiring pilots at a ratio of 1 to 1. Second of all, the 7ER captain that takes the widebody pilot's seat is not being replaced so the music stops there at 1 or 2 training events (7er to 764/330 to 777/747). This is really optimistic. I am in the most junior category and right now I am moving backwards during AE's with 0 displacements.

 

[General Lee]

Officially, hiring stands at 300 in 2014. When one guy retires off a wide-body seat, there are only a couple training events. First of all, they are not replacing the retiring pilots at a ratio of 1 to 1. Second of all, the 7ER captain that takes the widebody pilot's seat is not being replaced so the music stops there at 1 or 2 training events (7er to 764/330 to 777/747). This is really optimistic. I am in the most junior category and right now I am moving backwards during AE's with 0 displacements.

Ummm, officially that is true, but not among training types. All I've heard is 600 a year for the next decade. And, one retirement upcoming will mean 8-9 trainings. Right now they aren't backfilling when guys vacate certain planes, but plans are changing, and as you can see, the last bid had zero ER displacements, and actually ER entitlements on the next bid in 30-45 days. That says a lot. Total reversal. Guys will also retire off the top, and those are generally Wide Body pilots. Eventually people will move up.The higher profits mean more of the 757s may stay around longer. The 717 backlog in training also slowed things down, but that will be fixed by the next bid.

Eventually, things will move very quickly. Returning furlough bypass guys took up the first chunk of slots, and returning Military guys got to blend in at whatever seniority they could hold. That meant some went directly into the ER. Now that that is over, things will move along. Did you see all of the ER FOs in ATL move to Capt on the 88? Next bid they will backfill, and people will move up plenty. Being at the bottom for the past few years has been slow, but things will advance shortly.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Bc DALPA sells out domestic flying

Truly- you should leave all that to Skywest- they can at least stay on the runway.

Is that the qual's for delta pilot? No PIC necessary- just a willingness to sellout?

Maybe you didn't hear about the 88 717s coming in to recapture old mainline routes given to DCI after BK. You probably didn't....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I am in the most junior category and right now I am moving backwards during AE's with 0 displacements.

Sorry to hear that Hockey. I've heard the same from my buddies at Delta. It's nice to have someone come on here and actually speak the truth now and then, instead of the same old BS the General tries to spout.

 

[waveflyer]

I heard-

717's flying what they fly doesn't change the mission a -900 is designed to do

So we'll see

A month off FI if you're wrong general?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

A -900 is to replace the mission some of the 757s have been doing....stuff like MCO-ATL, ATL-DCA or SEA-SLC. All that up down almost regional crap just to provide the highest seat count.

Lots of 757s are going away (which sucks, best plane built for the mission) and these are the routes it will replace not the Transcons or anything over 4 hours.

 

[General Lee]

A -900 is to replace the mission some of the 757s have been doing....stuff like MCO-ATL, ATL-DCA or SEA-SLC. All that up down almost regional crap just to provide the highest seat count.

Lots of 757s are going away (which sucks, best plane built for the mission) and these are the routes it will replace not the Transcons or anything over 4 hours.

Uhhh, that's being slowed down supposedly. (757 retirements). Some 5500 block numbers from NWA, probably. Others, not as fast. Huge profits have some looking at different possibilities.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

And we're talking about the crj-900's bill.

So how about it GL- a month off FI if crj-900's are still doing 717 major market to major market type flying? Like they are now

 

[General Lee]

I heard-

717's flying what they fly doesn't change the mission a -900 is designed to do

So we'll see

A month off FI if you're wrong general?

You get a month off starting today. Why would there suddenly be excess Compass E175s available for new West Coast routes like LAX hourly to SFO and SFO to SEA? Could it be 717s moving into DTW? Could 88 717s help move RJs around? 215 50 seaters being dumped, 70 76 seaters being added and moved around to cover 50 seaters leaving (70 seaters also, especially at LGA) and 717s being added all over the SE and now DTW.

So, I'll see your next post next year, right?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

And we're talking about the crj-900's bill.

So how about it GL- a month off FI if crj-900's are still doing 717 major market to major market type flying? Like they are now

Why zero in on ONLY CRJ-900s? Don't E175s count? Both 76 seaters. Endeavor CR9s and Expressjet CR9s mainly do East Coast flying, where the 717s are currently flying. Compass E175s are the ones that are apparently moving West, at the same time DTW gets their own 717 pilot base. (And Compass gets an LAX pilot base shortly). Hmmmmmmm. What say you Wavey?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

So SFO-LAX is what you consider an RJ route that regional pilots should fly??
Not mainline??

Wow

 

[General Lee]

So SFO-LAX is what you consider an RJ route that regional pilots should fly??
Not mainline??

Wow

Huh? DL is already making $1.3 billion a quarter with the current planes in place, and DL only has 9 or so 717s so far, out of 88. That means plenty more on the way, and plenty of future changes. I think the bosses have to use what they got at the time opportunities arise, and right now E175s are coming available. When more 717s show up, maybe they will head West, we know there is a plan for 6 daily 717 flights between DAL and ATL, and a bunch more E175s too going LAX and LGA to DAL. Your six new LGA round trips didn't include any to Love field. You can "wave" at them as you go off to LBB.


So, when do you start your 1 month leave from FI? I proved you wrong and gave facts on how 717s affect 76 seaters. Admit it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

You are really dumb GL?

Why would reallocating 175's out west to fly MAINLINE ROUTES mean that you've won the argument? The burden you have to show is not that 717's will do mainline routes- it's that 900's will start doing small markets

So again- are shuttle flights connecting California's 40+ million people really become "RJ" flying to you?

Sellout.

 

[General Lee]

You are really dumb GL?

Why would reallocating 175's out west to fly MAINLINE ROUTES mean that you've won the argument? The burden you have to show is not that 717's will do mainline routes- it's that 900's will start doing small markets

So again- are shuttle flights connecting California's 40+ million people really become "RJ" flying to you?

Sellout.

It's a start when waiting for more planes to arrive. That's my point, only 9 of the 88 717s have arrived, and we could possibly see 717s out West if this AK stuff escalates. (I hope so). The E175s are being replaced by 717s (again my point), and when opportunities arise and you are still WAITING for more planes to arrive, use E175s in the meantime. Sounds sensible to everyone but you. I hope 717s takeover for them sooner than later. Then the 76/70 seaters can go replace outgoing 50 seaters, which will be gone enmasse soon.

Btw, those E175s are just a bit smaller than your 735s, and those 735s probably fly between those cities with 40+ million people, too. Plus, the E175s have first class seats that are more comfortable than yours.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

The problem isn't the airplane- it's who's flying them and what DALPA seniority number they dont have

 

[General Lee]

The problem isn't the airplane- it's who's flying them and what DALPA seniority number they dont have

Wave,

I made the point, you were wrong, and you can't admit it. Goodnight.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[4lowed]

Hey Folks,

Where's the best place to go for the DAL interview gouge? The last time I checked APC and willflyforfood, they both had dated material. Any people waiting on class dates want to chime in?

Thanks,
4lowed

 

[mesaba13]

Will fly for food is still good but make sure to look at the compass stuff because that is the same test bank. You don't need to read every book that DAL lists but use them or the internet as a reference. I used the DAL outline they send out as a guide to take notes on. Look at the hundreds of gouge questions available but know the concepts instead of rote memory. The info is all there you just have to go get it. Good luck!