Delta Memo looking at new narrowbody aircraft

[Scope out RJ's]

This message is hidden because Guppy WN is a PFT d-bag.

 

[Candide]

Challenge to Scope out RJs

Scope out RJs is employing a classic propaganda mechanism: say something enough times to a wide enough audience and you'll get people to believe it. Even if it isn't true.

PFT is defined as paying a company for training. Since that is demonstrably not the case at SWA, I'll give him a benefit of the doubt and expand the definition of "PFT" to any expenditures a pilot makes to upgrade his resume.

So...Scope out RJ's, as a SWA pilot, I challenge you to a little duel. I've listed below every expenditure I've ever made to advance my career (flight school, CFI, Comm, Multi, ATP, type ratings, etc.). I challenge you to do the same.

If my expenditures exceed your expenditures, you may continue to insult my job Southwest as being "PFT" without regard to the statement's accuracy. But: If you've spent more to get your job at Delta than I've spent to get my job at Southwest, I will reserve the right to call you out for being a PFT'er after every post you make.

In your rather odd world, virtue is defined by not investing in one's career. So, how do you compare?

Me:
Flight school: $0
Comm: $100 for Mil Equivalency prep/exam
ATP written: $120 for test prep, exam
ATP flight: $0 (flown in military aircraft w/FAA examiner)
737 type: $0
=$120 total

You: ?

 

[General Lee]

Joshua Freed, AP Airlines Writer, On Thursday January 13, 2011, 7:48 pm EST

Delta Air Lines Inc. is considering an order for as many as 200 jets -- possibly with options for 200 more -- to replace the aging fleet it uses for domestic flying.

Delta said it asked "several major aircraft manufacturers" for proposals for firm orders for 100 to 200 planes, with options for 200 more, with deliveries to begin in early 2013. No decisions about an order have been made yet, said Nat Pieper, Delta's vice president for fleet strategy and transactions. The request went to manufacturers in late December.
The new planes would replace Delta workhorses such as the DC-9-50s and Airbus A320s that it got when it bought Northwest Airlines in 2008, as well as Boeing 757-200s, which both airlines have operated.

CEO Richard Anderson said in a message to employees that Delta pilots will fly the new planes, not feeder carriers. Delta has shifted flying away from feeder carriers, and has gotten rid of more than 70 of its 50-seat regional jets and 25 Saab 340 turboprops.

A jet order will give Delta the size of planes it needs "to be able to replace retiring airplanes and have modest growth when the economy and fuel prices support it," Anderson said.He said Delta is looking for small, medium, and large planes in the "narrowbody" category, meaning planes with a single aisle for passengers.

Boeing Co. and Airbus, a unit of EADS, are the main manufacturers who could meet such an order, although Chinese and Brazilian manufacturers also plan new planes of the size Delta is looking for.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Scope out RJs is employing a classic propaganda mechanism: say something enough times to a wide enough audience and you'll get people to believe it. Even if it isn't true.

PFT is defined as paying a company for training. Since that is demonstrably not the case at SWA, I'll give him a benefit of the doubt and expand the definition of "PFT" to any expenditures a pilot makes to upgrade his resume.

So...Scope out RJ's, as a SWA pilot, I challenge you to a little duel. I've listed below every expenditure I've ever made to advance my career (flight school, CFI, Comm, Multi, ATP, type ratings, etc.). I challenge you to do the same.

If my expenditures exceed your expenditures, you may continue to insult my job Southwest as being "PFT" without regard to the statement's accuracy. But: If you've spent more to get your job at Delta than I've spent to get my job at Southwest, I will reserve the right to call you out for being a PFT'er after every post you make.

In your rather odd world, virtue is defined by not investing in one's career. So, how do you compare?

Me:
Flight school: $0
Comm: $100 for Mil Equivalency prep/exam
ATP written: $120 for test prep, exam
ATP flight: $0 (flown in military aircraft w/FAA examiner)
737 type: $0
=$120 total

You: ?

Try to pay attention, k?
You had to have the type to get hired at swa, right? That makes it pft.
I got all of my type ratings paid for by my employer.
Thanks for playing.......
Now back to your regular scheduled pft job of flying 6 legs a day doing the texas 2 step.
Your pay rates are great. Congrats, on that.

 

[Candide]

So now any airline with rating requirements is a "PFT" outfit?!

Did you have to have a Comm, ATP, and or FE rating to get hired by Delta?

By your definition, you are PFT pilot. And since you didn't take me up on my challenge, I'll conclude that you've "paid" a lot more than I did.

 

[Skyboy722]

Another internet tough guy hiding behind the safety of his keyboard.

You again???:laugh:

 

[ePilot22]

You had to have the type to get hired at swa, right? That makes it pft.

That conclusion doesn't make sense. Will you elaborate on your thought process, please.


And I'm interested in your counterargument to his question:

In your rather odd world, virtue is defined by not investing in one's career. So, how do you compare?

Thanks.




eP.

 

[airplane wizard]

That translates to "We have an opportunity to buy 80 717's and want to know if you will reopen the production line for us."

They could buy Airtran's 717 fleet.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You again???:laugh:

Why??? You going to cry to the mods again crybaby???
:crying::crying:

 

[Candide]

Why??? You going to cry to the mods again crybaby???
:crying::crying:

You still haven't responded to my challenge, Scope...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You still haven't responded to my challenge, Scope...

I responded to it pft boy!
You bought and paid for your 737 type. My employer paid for mine.
It's really quite simple. You work for an airline that requires you to pay for your type. It's defined as PFT.
Comair did it, ASA did it, Gulfstream still does it, as do/did many others.
Your pay rates are great. Good for you. You still had to buy your way into your job.
Now back to your 6 leg day texas 2 step.

 

[RJ Bum]

They could buy Airtran's 717 fleet.

Maybe DAL wrote in buy back program when they sold the DC9s and gates to ValueJet/Airtran. :laugh:

 

[Candide]

Scope,

Perhaps you missed it. I did not pay a for my type rating. (Actually, I did pay about five dollars in fuel to drive to the FSDO with my NATOPS jacket and logbook.).

You see, no one is required to pay for a type rating at SWA, just to have one. Just like you were not required to pay for your ATP and/ commercial ratings at companies along the way, just to have them.

Speaking of which, how much did you pay to get your ATP rating? `Cause according to your logic: since you had to pay for your ATP rating to meet Delta's requirements, someone should call you out as a PFTer after each of your posts.

Ad hominem isn't really my style, so I'll refrain. But I think everyone can recognize how immensely hypocritical your "PFT" rants are when by your own definition (working for an airline that requires ratings as a prerequisite for employment), you are a PFTer.

 

[JohnDoe]

A friend of mine at Delta forwarded this memo to me about long term planning for the Delta domestic fleet. I hope to be a part of it someday!!!

"The RFP asks for proposals to deliver 100 to 200 firm aircraft, with an option for 200 more, starting in early 2013. It asks the manufacturers to consider large, medium and small narrowbody planes to be operated by Delta as mainline aircraft."

Contract negotiation time folks.

Pilot's contract up in 2012. Article states aircraft starting in 2013.

Straight out of management playbook. Dangle "growth aircraft" in front of the group.

 

[Mamma]

Contract negotiation time folks.

Pilot's contract up in 2012. Article states aircraft starting in 2013.

Straight out of management playbook. Dangle "growth aircraft" in front of the group.

Yup. But, we have 116 737s over here at Alaska if Anderson wants to expedite putting the planes to use for Delta! 737-900ERs supposedly on the way too! Should help out with the 757-200 replacement.