Delta is now looking at possible USAir Aquistion

[texman]

Bro, the only payback I want from you guys is for the time wasted watching your dumb people's court SWA TV commercials. So bad.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

Ok I take back what I said, you got me. I am sorry. You know you really love the commercials. I do not whish you guys or any one to go through a merger agian. These are interesting times.

 

[B6Busdriver]

We are one of the few airlines that has been able to hold our own against Southwest and actually beat them out east. Alaska though? I think it's better to play friendly with Alaska and use them as a feeder. Just my two cents.

Us Air is sticking it to WN in PHL too.

 

[Dan Roman]

Oys, its your turn little buddy if this happens. The AW will get way better seniority over you in a arbitration deal. Remember all that talk of arbitration is fair? Usair fly's big airplanes too. Isn't 3/4 of thier list gone in 10 years. They will have better career expectations than you little buddy.Lol. Arbitration the Alpa way.

Excuse me Tex, but you are bashing ALPA mergers? Really?? a SWAPA/CAPA pilot? I would say the NWA/DAL was a lot better example of how a merger should be handled than anything a carrier from CAPA has done, between SWA , AMR and USAPA, the CAPA airlines are basically the poster children for how not to merge.......

 

[fam62c]

DAL could act as a spoiler in this situation to prevent a LCC/AMR combination that would create another very large, low-cost competitor. AMR is probably less of a threat if it reorganizes on it's own and emerges as a smaller carrier. It's tough to say how much value LCC would bring to DAL but it gets rid of a competitor and prevents the LCC/AMR deal. I would guess that TPG was going to work in combination with LCC so it pretty much stops that combination as well. We should start to see how serious these other players are in the next year.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm guessing there are some pretty big pieces of the whole jigsaw puzzle that is going on with this industry that are being played and we don't have a clue. As you said, it will be interesting to see this industry in a couple years. AMR went into C11 with a healthy cash reserve so they would have more control over their destiny. I hope that means they won't be able to dump their pensions into the PBGC and leave the taxpayers with the tab while they play out this jigsaw puzzle. Hawaiian and NWA went C11 without going the PBGC route, AMR should have to reorganize without dumping the pensions on the American taxpayer.

 

[ALGFLYR]

DAL could act as a spoiler in this situation to prevent a LCC/AMR combination that would create another very large, low-cost competitor. AMR is probably less of a threat if it reorganizes on it's own and emerges as a smaller carrier. It's tough to say how much value LCC would bring to DAL but it gets rid of a competitor and prevents the LCC/AMR deal. I would guess that TPG was going to work in combination with LCC so it pretty much stops that combination as well. We should start to see how serious these other players are in the next year.

I think this may be a very big part of the reason for Delta to show an interest in US Airways. I don't think Delta needs US, other than to eliminate a competitor... I think Delta realizes that if US and AMR were to merge, they would then be on equal footing size and cost-wise and a viable competitor against Delta.... I think this move is just to muddy up the water and possibly prevent an AMR/US merger...

 

[Turtle21]

Roughly 1500 West and 3500 East.

 

[On Your Six]

DAL could act as a spoiler in this situation to prevent a LCC/AMR combination that would create another very large, low-cost competitor. AMR is probably less of a threat if it reorganizes on it's own and emerges as a smaller carrier. It's tough to say how much value LCC would bring to DAL but it gets rid of a competitor and prevents the LCC/AMR deal. I would guess that TPG was going to work in combination with LCC so it pretty much stops that combination as well. We should start to see how serious these other players are in the next year.

To me, it looks like DP wants World Dominance. He wants it all. He may look at his own airline and see the lack of synergies due to the pilots (the FAs just did a joint contract, though), and he may want to divest of the West side and allow the East side to try to merge with AA. I see a lot of GOV'T hurdles with DL and US merging on the East Coast, both with LGA Shuttles, and with CLT/ATL and PHL/DCA/NYC all next to each other. The only thing I see without overlap is the PHX operation, and that could be an addition to DL's hub portfolio I guess, although SLC is just a couple hours North, and LAX 1 hour West. This may indeed be a "muddying" of the water by management.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[dicko]

bring in an airline that has money (3 times your profit)

The OYSter

All subsidized by the low pay of Delta pilots

 

[waveflyer]

Excuse me Tex, but you are bashing ALPA mergers? Really?? a SWAPA/CAPA pilot? I would say the NWA/DAL was a lot better example of how a merger should be handled than anything a carrier from CAPA has done, between SWA , AMR and USAPA, the CAPA airlines are basically the poster children for how not to merge.......

Dan- you do know that USAPA is the love child of the poster child for failed mergers, right? Care to fess up which union led that?

 

[B-atch]

Dan- you do know that USAPA is the love child of the poster child for failed mergers, right? Care to fess up which union led that?

Not a "failed merger" A failed SLI, negotiated under ALPA and its "failed" merger policy. And so far USAPA has succeeded at keeping these TWO airlines apart. Hey Wave, if your so passionate about OUR ongoings at Airways, how about coming over. We are hiring. Or perhaps you prefer PHX? What say YOU?

 

[waveflyer]

I'm good on jobs- thx though
Usair hasn't failed as a business venture- thx to Loa 93
But it has for the airline pilot career.
Indisputably.

 

[54fighting]

DAL could act as a spoiler in this situation to prevent a LCC/AMR combination that would create another very large, low-cost competitor. AMR is probably less of a threat if it reorganizes on it's own and emerges as a smaller carrier. It's tough to say how much value LCC would bring to DAL but it gets rid of a competitor and prevents the LCC/AMR deal. I would guess that TPG was going to work in combination with LCC so it pretty much stops that combination as well. We should start to see how serious these other players are in the next year.

My thoughts exactly. I don't think you would ever see a DAL/AMR deal approved. However, with AMR in bankruptcy, they need to open up their books to any potential suitor. DAL gets a free peek. The LCC makes more sense as it eliminates an AMR/LCC hookup.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan- you do know that USAPA is the love child of the poster child for failed mergers, right? Care to fess up which union led that?

Well trying to merge AmWest and USAir was going to be as difficult as any merger could possibly be. You would be hard pressed to find two seniority lists harder to mesh than those. AmWest was very young and USair probably had the oldest relative pilots, USAir was close to shutting down and AMWest saved their arse. It wasn't going to be easy and you certainly couldn't justify straight date of hire that put furloughee's ahead of active Captains. Especially since USAir was so close to shutting down.
Under ALPA they came to an agreement to accept a third parties binding arbitration. Probably the only reasonable thing to do given the huge disparities between the two airlines. So......under ALPA they came up with the only possible solution given the circumstances. It's under USAPA that they went down the road of extreme self interest, unrealistic expectations and the resulting degradation of the profession at USAir.

ALPA's not perfect because individual pilot groups are not perfect. But they are tasked with trying represent the entire profession. They have done an admirable job and contributed more to our profession than any CAPA union has, simple as that.

 

[On Your Six]

My thoughts exactly. I don't think you would ever see a DAL/AMR deal approved. However, with AMR in bankruptcy, they need to open up their books to any potential suitor. DAL gets a free peek. The LCC makes more sense as it eliminates an AMR/LCC hookup.

The DL/LCC matchup doesn't work either. Way too much East Coast overlap. The only part that might be plausible without much Gov't scrutiny would be acquiring the West portion IMO.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Flybywire44]

The DL/LCC matchup doesn't work either. Way too much East Coast overlap. The only part that might be plausible without much Gov't scrutiny would be acquiring the West portion IMO.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

If both DAL & LCC are flying full planes than how much over lap can their be? Will a reduction of 50 seats play into this? Maybe a frequency of service could be maintained without the need to replace a retiring regional fleet?

US Airways has huge control over northeast domestic routes. Delta may want these routes to secure feed for their New York investments. NYC airports are max'd out and Delta may turn to PHL for relief?

US Airways could certainly feed American's international operations with its high passenger loads. LCC/AMR could spoil DAL's NYC initiative!

 

[ackattacker]

If both DAL & LCC are flying full planes than how much over lap can their be? Will a reduction of 50 seats play into this? Maybe a frequency of service could be maintained without the need to replace a retiring regional fleet?

Sure there's not a lot of excess capacity anywhere anymore. But in this sense we're talking traffic percentages in an out of certain east coast markets, which means a combined DAL & LCC would have a very large percentage of all such traffic and would raise serious anti-trust issues even though from a business perspective it may make sense. Even just a simple slot-swap wasn't a sure thing to get past the regulators so a merger would be a nightmare. AMR is not as big on the east-coast domestic market so makes it easier to argue that a combined company doesn't eliminate all competition in any one market.

 

[Scoot 11]

Usair hasn't failed as a business venture- thx to Loa 93
But it has for the airline pilot career.
Indisputably.

+1
Sorry Wave. Edited just slightly.

 

[Flying the Line]

FYI - Word is TPD is working with British Airways to make the $$$ work as a foreign owned airline (AA). I know, I know. Wrong tread.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I heard Delta was taking the "West" routes but wanted the "East pilots." They thought the crazy Easties would fit in better with OYS and the Gen.

The good Ole' West pilots will go with AMR or whoever buys the East shuttle.