Delta is going to sell Comair, yeah right!!!!!

[XRMEFLYER]

Yeah, but then reality would hit you square in the face. Your pay scales are fair, but they aren't competitive. If you think you guys could shop around using your "good looks and jazzy personalities" you're WRONG.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Take a break private, you don't have to be such a throbbing self righteous tool EVERYday!

 

[General Lee]

Chperplt,


I said your wages were fair and I wouldn't change them, but I have a feeling someone in your management or Delta management would love to. They want to bring down all costs. If you think they won't go after your wages, then you haven't been paying attention.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Blade,


You guys think you could do better? You guys have to remember that we (mainline) really do bring in the bread and butter here...


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah you guys are really raking in the dough these last few years. Pompous pustule!

 

[General Lee]

Oh great, Sarge (ex-ream-me) is back. You need to grab hold of your own privates. Bye Sarge.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Ream,


Boy, DFW sure has been successful with all of those RJs. Time for you guys to go Independent------and enjoy that ride for a few months. Thinking you are a "Major" doesn't change the fact that you have a minor part in this whole deal. And your profits, once again, can be manipulated by route planning---and the fact that you cannot understand that is amusing---bye Sarge.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[XRMEFLYER]

You need to grab hold of your own privates....



Bye Bye--General Lee

Keep your alternative lifestyle to yourself!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Ream,


Boy, DFW sure has been successful with all of those RJs.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Versus all the dough you guys were making there before?

 

[chperplt]

GL

We weren't talking about what management would like to do. We were talking about our pay and how it isn't competitive.

When bidding for new work, total operating expense per hour is what you base your bid on. GG said that we, Comair, were the cheapest in overall cost structure out of all the connection carriers.

If GG were to spin us off in an IPO, certain guarantees would have to be given to the potential investors. Those guarantees would probably not sit well with you at mainline.

Pros of the IPO would certainly be the positive cash flow, but the con would have to be the added flying and new aircraft deliveries CMR would have to get to attract and keep investors.

 

[sweptback]

I don't see why the mainline pilots are so keen on seeing the wholly-owneds spun off. If that happens, DL will have to guarantee them a profit margin of 7% or so. That doesn't help on the thin flights that DL wants to maintain market presence in, yet loses money on. Now they're going to lose even more money because they'd have to guarantee a profit margin on top of that!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

I don't see why the mainline pilots are so keen on seeing the wholly-owneds spun off. If that happens, DL will have to guarantee them a profit margin of 7% or so. That doesn't help on the thin flights that DL wants to maintain market presence in, yet loses money on. Now they're going to lose even more money because they'd have to guarantee a profit margin on top of that!

A few loudmouth barracks lawyers aside, most of them don't. What they(the pilots) want doesn't matter anyway. Either the management team will decide to do it or they will not.

 

[chperplt]

Either the management team will decide to do it or they will not.

After they ask the magic 8-ball....

 

[FDJ2]

It's not a matter of if, but when.

 

[General Lee]

Chperplt says:

"If GG were to spin us off in an IPO, certain guarantees would have to be given to the potential investors. Those guarantees would probably not sit well with you at mainline."


Hey, we have a new contract with limits. Nothing else will be changed unless negotiated with Dalpa, and unless you want our furloughs in the left seat of some of your new aircraft, not much will be changed.

Your costs might be lower than the others (even with all of the debt associated with your---or our---RJs? really? We don't own any of Skywest's RJs), but any new investor would look at how to make a quick buck faster, and your high pay (compared to other regionals) would be closely looked at.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Ream-boat,


You said concerning our DFW operation:

"Versus all the dough you guys were making there before?"



OBVIOUSLY you don't know what really happened there. We had a very very large base there at one time, with 1700 pilots and many many aircraft types. We used to do well there, but after 9-11 happened, we parked some Express 737s (due ot the FOs getting furloughed), and then readjusted our fleet. When we started Song we had to move 757s out of mainline and then move other airplanes up to cover for those missing mainline 757s. Someone decided that RJs would cover DFW just as well as 737-300s or MD-90s on some routes----and boy oh boy were they wrong. Passengers (especially business passengers) really hated flying them long distances---like to SNA and ONT, or OAK and DCA---and the place fell apart. It just proved a plane---the RJ---50 or 70 seater---cannot save a base. Yeah, we used to make a lot of money in DFW, but then an airplane swap sealed the deal. Have a great night Sarge.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[chperplt]

Hey, we have a new contract with limits

And guess what.... We have a contract as well. Nothing will be changed...period.

What's with the.. or your... or our RJs... really crap?? If we're going to have a conversation, why don't we have an adult conversation.

I don't know where our costs fit in with the other connection carriers. All I know if what GG said last week. I'm sure you've seen the newspaper article and I'm sure you read the same thing I did.

Do you think investors will be looking at my pay scale very closely or will they be looking at the bottom line? They make money on the bottom line, and the bottom line only.

Frankly, I think the vast majority of Comair employees wish Delta never purchased the company. Unfortunately, an IPO will do nothing to change that. All an IPO will do is strengthen the bond that Delta has on Comair. Same thing holds true for ASA is they get spun. Whoever gets spun will get a iron clad contract that provides for growth and financial prosperity for a number of years. Without it, no investor would touch it.