Delta Had A Great Quarter

[Mach 80]

What are all you guys getting paid for deadhead flying, flying to training, for recurrent training, what rigs do you have? You can talk about straight hourly rates, but these are other factors in the macro sense.

Reminds me...what are you guys paying for health insurance for a typical family? I know there are some huge disparities out there.

Although not a huge thing, how about per diem rates?

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Wicked,

Aviation can be a dirty rotten filthy business....so can most other professions. All of us here at DAL have made our decisions to stay or pursue other things. There isn't a person here (save for a few starry-eyed newhires) that doesn't understand the negatives of this business. Aviation does not have the patent on hippocracy and corruption...it can be found many places.

I choose not to to spend my working years mad at the world.

Meanwhile, I enjoy my time in Nice.

Fair enough Pat, good luck, watch your back!
P.S. Just had a 5 day layover in Nice. It never gets old!

 

[General Lee]

What are all you guys getting paid for deadhead flying, flying to training, for recurrent training, what rigs do you have? You can talk about straight hourly rates, but these are other factors in the macro sense.

Reminds me...what are you guys paying for health insurance for a typical family? I know there are some huge disparities out there.

Although not a huge thing, how about per diem rates?

I think I can answer a few of these. We do get 100% pay for deadheading. Flying to training counts in our per day pay during training, I think it is 3.5 hours a day during training(?)---so yes, you probably do have to pick up an additional trip. Health insurance costs did increase in BK, but that does depend on family size. It is more than before. And perdiem is different for domestic vs INTL, with $1.85 for domestic and $2.25 for INTL I believe. You also get a whopping $3 an hour extra per hour for INTL FO, and $5 an hour as Captain, to help pay for those expensive beers in Europe. I am probably not a big help here.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Pat Fabin]

So is everyone here so easily offended in real life? Geesh!

(referencing my starry-eyed new hire comment)

 

[EMBpilot]

Guys,

I've been reading this forum for 4 years now and you know what I think?

I think and see from the posts here that Delta Air Lines is the envy of the industry.

Even when pay is less, upgrades are long, BK etc. people compare their carriers with Delta and subconsciously are afraid of Delta "passing" them.

It is always obvious how most participants of this forum, who don't work for Delta, try to bump up their self esteem by pointing out things that are better at their airlines comparing to Delta.

What is that all about?
Does Delta hire better people, treats them better and overall is a better environment to work?

Just my opinion and I am not smoking nor drinking anything funny.


Please, correct me if I am wrong.

 

[General Lee]

Guys,

I've been reading this forum for 4 years now and you know what I think?

I think and see from the posts here that Delta Air Lines is the envy of the industry.

Even when pay is less, upgrades are long, BK etc. people compare their carriers with Delta and subconsciously are afraid of Delta "passing" them.

It is always obvious how most participants of this forum, who don't work for Delta, try to bump up their self esteem by pointing out things that are better at their airlines comparing to Delta.

What is that all about?
Does Delta hire better people, treats them better and overall is a better environment to work?

Just my opinion and I am not smoking nor drinking anything funny.


Please, correct me if I am wrong.

Delta has it's faults, and going through BK was not fun at all. But, most employees here are non-union, and they "trust" their management to do the "right thing for them." We pilots have a union and we have tangled many times recently, losing our pensions etc. But, overall we are paid fairly well, (looking for more to come back to us) live in fairly nice bases, and still have good work rules that mostly were not taken in BK. We used to be the highest paid by far, and that was not our undoing going into BK, since there were many other factors involved too. We hope to get that title back someday. We also have a bunch of bright guys now working with our new CEO (the guys in charge of route planning, etc) that are doing a very good job at finding potential revenue out there in the INTL arena. Hopefully they will get back into the domestic arena again with "new" planes coming from China (MD90s) or new 737-700s in the near future. A lot depends on us keeping good managers that are focused on us all doing well. That will keep our morale up somewhat. This isn't koolaid drinking, this is pure optimism after a tough BK.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[mule]

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[CFI2766]

Delta has it's faults, and going through BK was not fun at all. But, most employees here are non-union, and they "trust" their management to do the "right thing for them." We pilots have a union and we have tangled many times recently, losing our pensions etc. But, overall we are paid fairly well, (looking for more to come back to us) live in fairly nice bases, and still have good work rules that mostly were not taken in BK. We used to be the highest paid by far, and that was not our undoing going into BK, since there were many other factors involved too. We hope to get that title back someday. We also have a bunch of bright guys now working with our new CEO (the guys in charge of route planning, etc) that are doing a very good job at finding potential revenue out there in the INTL arena. Hopefully they will get back into the domestic arena again with "new" planes coming from China (MD90s) or new 737-700s in the near future. A lot depends on us keeping good managers that are focused on us all doing well. That will keep our morale up somewhat. This isn't koolaid drinking, this is pure optimism after a tough BK.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Cool.

How long will Delta be hiring? When do you predict this hiring wave will crest?

 

[FDJ2]

Good for you guys. I just read this somewhere else. What do you think?

ATLANTA (AP) -- The chief executive of Delta Air Lines Inc. said Tuesday that the carrier wants to be the "undisputed leader" in the industry and that a deal with another airline may be in its best interest.
"We are evaluating the best path forward for Delta," CEO Richard Anderson said during a conference call with analysts after the airline released third-quarter results.

His statement was very non committal and definitely did not insinuate that anything was in the works.

Will DAL consider mergers, sure, if they make sense. What CEO would say otherwise?

 

[Little Bubba]

The General before Chapter 11...
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=123517#post123517

All I can say is he really knows his stuff...

 

[General Lee]

The General before Chapter 11...
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=123517#post123517

All I can say is he really knows his stuff...

So, you thought I could see the future? Thanks. I can give opinions, and some are wrong, most are spot on. Thanks for having so much faith in me. Gawd bless you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

Yeah...I think he has had 1 to many "midnight skies" enroute!

That's because SWA pilots are dumb enough to think that pay is all in the hourly rate. I don't have to prove I made more, I know it.

The honeymoon is ending at SWA guys. Dec 31 2009 will be the earliest that a SWA pilot MAY eclipse my 1099. The way things are going, however, I doubt even that.

If you don't believe me, just ignore me. Easy.

 

[GCAP]

So, you thought I could see the future? Thanks. I can give opinions, and some are wrong, most are spot on. Thanks for having so much faith in me. Gawd bless you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

No, you could not see the future.....Any boy that spends enough time on his knees can get most of what he wants.......it just doesn't taste very good.

 

[RedDogC130]

That's because SWA pilots are dumb enough to think that pay is all in the hourly rate. I don't have to prove I made more, I know it.

The honeymoon is ending at SWA guys. Dec 31 2009 will be the earliest that a SWA pilot MAY eclipse my 1099. The way things are going, however, I doubt even that.

If you don't believe me, just ignore me. Easy.

I have no problem with the money you make..I wish everyone the best when it comes to bringing home cash...

I just asked what the hourly wage is in your position. not hard. I realize that Delta has about a 2-3% match on 401K and a little profit sharing and a B scale( I think) just tell me what the rate per hour is...just to have an idea....Is it the same as on airlinepilotsentral? Not picking a fight just curious based on what you said.

 

[PuffDriver]

I have no problem with the money you make..I wish everyone the best when it comes to bringing home cash...

I just asked what the hourly wage is in your position. not hard. I realize that Delta has about a 2-3% match on 401K and a little profit sharing and a B scale( I think) just tell me what the rate per hour is...just to have an idea....Is it the same as on airlinepilotsentral? Not picking a fight just curious based on what you said.

Right, you wish everyone the best:

Last time I checked they are at the ATM. Every day that goes by is money they are taking from you. If you did not give consessions the money would be in your pocket not theirs. So they are at the ATM until you get back what you had...don't kid you

I do realize this is me vs you or us verus them....the fact that there is competition in this industry is a fact. We all can all hope for the best for the other team. Then we lose. There is not enough room on the field for everyone....someone will lose. I just hope it is not my team...if it is yours sorry for your
luck.



It's very simple. SWA is a domestic airline. Their pilots are knows money grabbers. They will fly over vacation when allowed. They fly sick to bank their sick trips. They are always trying to find ways to fly more. I know about 40 of them, so you can save the mantra. Additionally, they are not smart enough to even try and hide the fact that they look forward to the day fellow pilots lose their jobs when their airlines go BK. Well, my airline went BK, I didn't lose my job, and I will make more money than SWA 12 year captain's. If you follow my track record with a SWA pilot hired the same day as me, it's even more lopsided. Not until December 31 2009 do I predict that a SWA 12 year CA makes more than I do. Of course, that is provided that I am not a 767 international captain, which will likely happen on the bid coming in november. Meanwhile, a will keep an interested eye on what happens to SW pilots as these two years roll along, but without a payraise of 50%, they won't catch me in 2008. GL can fill you in on the details if he so wishes. These posts were merely for the SW guys who think that they actually have something to do with an airline's success, while they hung on the bar for years, are pushing for an age 60 change so they can whore for 5 more years, and have yet to surpass my earnings. BTW I know that htis does not apply to all SW pilots, but at least one of yours deserved it.