Delta Flow-Up

[rumrunner300]

The pain hasn't even begun yet.

It would be better to have this conversation sometime in 2015.

Once sufficient distance is achieved from the close date of the merger, Delta will draw down significantly and there will be furloughs. Once people start retiring again in 2012, it will take several years to get through all the recalls.

I hate to crap on anyone's hope, but consolidation will continue and drawdown of ASM's will continue throughout the entire industry. The employment picture in aviation is, and will continue to be, dismal for quite some time.

BTW, JMHO.

runninbeyotch

 

[Sinca3]

What was the average class size during the last wave of hiring at Delta?

The first few classes only had between 2-12 after that they avg'd 30 per class wth a new class starting every 2 weeks.

 

[hockeypilot44]

One minute there, Senor.........

The Mid-Atlantic pilots (who were previously mainline before they were furloughed) were considered "Furloughed" - which is what triggered your ability to fly at Mid-Atlantic. The reason they were stapled to the bottom of the arbitrated list was that they did NOT bring an active mainline job to the merger.

{{ running for cover }}

:smash:

Mid-Atlantic wasn't even an airline. The aircraft were all on the Usair operating certificate. This is the gyst for the difference of opinion between the East and West.

 

[johnsonrod]

It would be better to have this conversation sometime in 2015.

Once sufficient distance is achieved from the close date of the merger, Delta will draw down significantly and there will be furloughs. Once people start retiring again in 2012, it will take several years to get through all the recalls.

I hate to crap on anyone's hope, but consolidation will continue and drawdown of ASM's will continue throughout the entire industry. The employment picture in aviation is, and will continue to be, dismal for quite some time.

BTW, JMHO.

runninbeyotch

What you don't take into account is the eventual rise in domestic traffic here in the US. I read reports stating 1 billion passengers will be carried domestically each year by the year 2011. This recession may be short lived, and that will probably ring true. If that is the case, RJs will not rule the skies, and legacy carriers will not compete with growing LCCs with those RJs. Add retirements (not everyone will leave at age 65), and hiring will pick up for the legacies. Hopefully that will be my ticket to a better life than my current one.

 

[flyboyike]

It would be better to have this conversation sometime in 2015.

Once sufficient distance is achieved from the close date of the merger, Delta will draw down significantly and there will be furloughs. Once people start retiring again in 2012, it will take several years to get through all the recalls.

I hate to crap on anyone's hope, but consolidation will continue and drawdown of ASM's will continue throughout the entire industry. The employment picture in aviation is, and will continue to be, dismal for quite some time.

BTW, JMHO.

runninbeyotch

I agree, even if that means my own prospects are especially bleak. Which they are.

 

[rumrunner300]

What you don't take into account is the eventual rise in domestic traffic here in the US. I read reports stating 1 billion passengers will be carried domestically each year by the year 2011. This recession may be short lived, and that will probably ring true. If that is the case, RJs will not rule the skies, and legacy carriers will not compete with growing LCCs with those RJs. Add retirements (not everyone will leave at age 65), and hiring will pick up for the legacies. Hopefully that will be my ticket to a better life than my current one.

I hope you are right.

 

[rumrunner300]

I agree, even if that means my own prospects are especially bleak. Which they are.

Sometimes hope is the most crippling emotion to have. Nothing has felt better than finally letting this mess go.

I've decided to go back to school and obtain a degree that is actually usable (damn UND "Aeronautical Science" crap) and try to build something resembling a stable life. If I have to decide in or out in 10 years, I'll drive off that bridge when I come to it.

Good luck to all.

 

[crj567]

It would be better to have this conversation sometime in 2015.

Once sufficient distance is achieved from the close date of the merger, Delta will draw down significantly and there will be furloughs. Once people start retiring again in 2012, it will take several years to get through all the recalls.

I hate to crap on anyone's hope, but consolidation will continue and drawdown of ASM's will continue throughout the entire industry. The employment picture in aviation is, and will continue to be, dismal for quite some time.

BTW, JMHO.

runninbeyotch

You are absoltely correct. I would be very nervous at Compass these days.

 

[General Lee]

You are absoltely correct. I would be very nervous at Compass these days.

Compared with ASA? Are you kidding me? Listen McRonald, you need to get your facts straight. The Compass guys have a spot at Delta EVENTUALLY, and you EVENTUALLY have to get off your arse and clean the stalls. And I saw you sneak a ranch sauce dip packet.....don't you dip urinal cakes in those again!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

The Compass guys have a spot at Delta EVENTUALLY...

Even if that's true, how do you expect them to eat prior to said eventuality? Or will their faith in a brighter future with Mother Delta carry them through? And before you say it, I know they knew what they were signing up for, but it still sucks.

 

[Buzo]

Even if that's true, how do you expect them to eat prior to said eventuality? Or will their faith in a brighter future with Mother Delta carry them through? And before you say it, I know they knew what they were signing up for, but it still sucks.

they will probably continue eating the same way they are now. Nothing is changing for them.

 

[CFI2766]

they will probably continue eating the same way they are now. Nothing is changing for them.

I think that you might be missing his point...

 

[Buzo]

I think that you might be missing his point...

I know exactly what he was implying.

 

[Superpilot92]

What you don't take into account is the eventual rise in domestic traffic here in the US. I read reports stating 1 billion passengers will be carried domestically each year by the year 2011. This recession may be short lived, and that will probably ring true. If that is the case, RJs will not rule the skies, and legacy carriers will not compete with growing LCCs with those RJs. Add retirements (not everyone will leave at age 65), and hiring will pick up for the legacies. Hopefully that will be my ticket to a better life than my current one.

Dead on

 

[FBN0223]

Even if that's true, how do you expect them to eat prior to said eventuality? Or will their faith in a brighter future with Mother Delta carry them through? And before you say it, I know they knew what they were signing up for, but it still sucks.

No!!! What sucks is watching NWA ALPA negotiate your flying away. Lots of DC-9 FOs, A320 FOs, B747 SOs and others at NWA who would prefer to fly Captain on the EMB175.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Why would anyone want a 1000 hour military pilot over a 6000 hour guy with 121 experience in Avros, Saabs, and CRJs, maybe even the E175 if he moved over to Compass?

Let me start by saying the military screens their pilots pretty stringently and if a person has made the cut there, they likely are in the top 10 to 20% of the pool.

At the legacy carriers it is more likely that the person doing the hiring has a military background and folks like best what they know best and are most comfortable with. Also the military candidates are more likely to have impressive records since the military often has projects their pilots are involved in, not to mention all the officer and leadership training they get. Also, it is nearly impossible to get FAA violations in the military, so flying 4 legs a day, 90 hours a month, for five years gives civilians much more opportunity to get in trouble while waiting for the business cycle to open the doors at major carriers.

I'm civillian and think experience means a lot. But, now having flown with a group that is 90%+ military pilots, I completely understand the bias.

Not to worry though, if you are a civillian. In last year's Air Force Academy class only something like 16 got flight spots. Most of the need for "pilots" are in the UAV programs, which isn't "flight" time.

Military aviation is so scaled back now that there just are not many military pilots available in the job market. Look at Delta's 2007 hiring... it was probably 50/50.

 

[flyboyike]

Military aviation is so scaled back now that there just are not many military pilots available in the job market. Look at Delta's 2007 hiring... it was probably 50/50.

I think that's a key point. The supply of military pilots has been dwindling for a while now and will only continue to dwindle, from the looks of it.