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That's the part of his deal that I liked Zone- in tragic irony- before the silliness- he's doing the job mainline delta pilots ought to be doing before the divide and conquer replacement pilots were voted their own island.
(But on closer inspection, he wouldn't and shouldn't pass a mainline interview. All the more motivation to take it back DALPA- this guy doesn't need to be flying your families and customers)
 

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(But on closer inspection, he wouldn't and shouldn't pass a mainline interview. All the more motivation to take it back DALPA- this guy doesn't need to be flying your families and customers)

I'd agree. This is the BEST argument for NOT outsourcing. You guys are lucky your management is enlightened on this point, too.
 

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That's the part of his deal that I liked Zone- in tragic irony- before the silliness- he's doing the job mainline delta pilots ought to be doing before the divide and conquer replacement pilots were voted their own island.
(But on closer inspection, he wouldn't and shouldn't pass a mainline interview. All the more motivation to take it back DALPA- this guy doesn't need to be flying your families and customers)

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True enough Fubi.
Oh man Riker's- they don't have movie night at San Quentin anymore- I heard C-K was good
 

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I'd agree. This is the BEST argument for NOT outsourcing. You guys are lucky your management is enlightened on this point, too.


So, how do you take care of the problem NOW? There is no doubt a problem, but what do you do now? Do you expend capital to "buy back" all of the 50 and 70/76 seat flying? High oil is taking care of the 50 seat problem as we speak. How do you get back the 70/76 seat flying when Delta doesn't own all of those planes (they do own some of them, though)? They won't just give it back for free. There are other scope issues as well that should be monitored, like Joint Ventures with INTL airlines, and code shares will the likes of AK as well. SCOPE is a huge deal, but the question remains how to bring it back. With the second round of consolidation on our doorstep, there will the need to get that next contract done (they do not want to be dealing with that at the same time as looking for possible new "partners"), and that can help our chances with scope issues, pay issues, and work rule issues that all need fixing. The problem again is how much is each worth? I would not be for anything giving away one more ounce of RJ scope or JV/Code Share scope, but how much for getting those 70/76 seaters that are already out there? (any new ones can go on our property, we have the payrates already)



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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So, how do you take care of the problem NOW? There is no doubt a problem, but what do you do now? Do you expend capital to "buy back" all of the 50 and 70/76 seat flying? High oil is taking care of the 50 seat problem as we speak. How do you get back the 70/76 seat flying when Delta doesn't own all of those planes (they do own some of them, though)? They won't just give it back for free. There are other scope issues as well that should be monitored, like Joint Ventures with INTL airlines, and code shares will the likes of AK as well. SCOPE is a huge deal, but the question remains how to bring it back. With the second round of consolidation on our doorstep, there will the need to get that next contract done (they do not want to be dealing with that at the same time as looking for possible new "partners"), and that can help our chances with scope issues, pay issues, and work rule issues that all need fixing. The problem again is how much is each worth? I would not be for anything giving away one more ounce of RJ scope or JV/Code Share scope, but how much for getting those 70/76 seaters that are already out
there? (any new ones can go on our property, we have the payrates already)



Bye Bye---General Lee


I am not going to vote for any relaxation of scope. I want more pay just like everyone else, but scope is the most important thing out there.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 

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Short answer: YES!

That's been the crux of my sellout argument all along!
that DALPA pilots never play chess, always checkers and don't make decisions past the current contract- always voting in the most recent pay raise instead of rolling back outsourcing bc they don't feel like it affects them-
There is a failure to recognize the long term downward pressure outsourcing puts on mainline wages-
I'm asking dalpa, for once, to vote their long term self interest over their short term one

So, how do you take care of the problem NOW? There is no doubt a problem, but what do you do now? Do you expend capital to "buy back" all of the 50 and 70/76 seat flying? High oil is taking care of the 50 seat problem as we speak. How do you get back

Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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I'd agree on a couple points.

1. The 50 seat jet problem is solving itself.
2. So will the 70-76 seat jet problem. Oil prices will kill them.

What we have to do now, is negotiate a 100 seat jet pay rate at mainline carriers and insist the flying is done by mainline pilots. That would be a start.
 

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I'd agree on a couple points.

1. The 50 seat jet problem is solving itself.
2. So will the 70-76 seat jet problem. Oil prices will kill them.

What we have to do now, is negotiate a 100 seat jet pay rate at mainline carriers and insist the flying is done by mainline pilots. That would be a start.

We in DTW see the RJ proliferation. I don't think it would be tough to get guys to vote that way at all, for mainline use. I think there are current payrates for those planes at Delta now in our own contract.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 

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. They are professional and are there to enforce FARs, plain and simple.


This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.
 

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This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.

Your user name is very appropos. Congrats!

Nice stretch in trying to judge me and my work ethic. You dudes keep it up and twist my words for your anti-FA agenda.

Oh, and get off your high horse. I fly foreign airlines all the time and yes, I receive good service. I also receive excellent service on domestic carriers as well. I actually like USAir. Perhaps it's YOUR crappy attitude or entitlement mentality that gets YOU nothing. And, yes, I do know there are FAs who are crappy and cranky and lazy. Guess what, that's a problem in ALL industries today. Spare me the "old cat-ranchers" argument too, I've seen plenty of cheery older women and some down-right nasty,snotty, highly UN-qualified young girls as well. I very rarely have any complaints about FAs I've encountered. Maybe, just maybe it's because I'm smart and classy enough to board, sit down, actually follow their instructions, say please and thank you and not act like a self-important jackass.

P.S. -- I'd have some more respect for you boys if you just admit the reason you prefer foreign airline FAs. They're all young and easy on the eyes. Why you morons think that a FA is there to tickle your fancy and for you to drool over is beyond me. It's not the 60's anymore. Grow up.
 

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This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.

If you are really a pilot you should know that a FA's primary responsibility is SAFETY and NOT customer service. Sad that you don't know that.

Also, what were your last two words supposed to mean? I don't get it---clue me in.
 

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If you are really a pilot you should know that a FA's primary responsibility is SAFETY and NOT customer service.

Isn't it wonderful how everything seems to fall apart when they start referring to clients/passengers as customers? You know, as if they were merely people in line at the liquor-store counter?
 

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Isn't it wonderful how everything seems to fall apart when they start referring to clients/passengers as customers? You know, as if they were merely people in line at the liquor-store counter?

That's how airlines want it.....
 

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Your user name is very appropos. Congrats!

Nice stretch in trying to judge me and my work ethic. You dudes keep it up and twist my words for your anti-FA agenda.

Oh, and get off your high horse. I fly foreign airlines all the time and yes, I receive good service. I also receive excellent service on domestic carriers as well. I actually like USAir. Perhaps it's YOUR crappy attitude or entitlement mentality that gets YOU nothing. And, yes, I do know there are FAs who are crappy and cranky and lazy. Guess what, that's a problem in ALL industries today. Spare me the "old cat-ranchers" argument too, I've seen plenty of cheery older women and some down-right nasty,snotty, highly UN-qualified young girls as well. I very rarely have any complaints about FAs I've encountered. Maybe, just maybe it's because I'm smart and classy enough to board, sit down, actually follow their instructions, say please and thank you and not act like a self-important jackass.



Interesting.

Did you read what I wrote ? At what point did I judge your work ethic ?

Do you believe that an independent observer would read your response and agree with your self analysis of "smart and classy" ? I'm afraid that your post says far more about you, than the subject at hand.

I recommend analysis. Jungian.
 
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