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Delta eyes Major Widebody RFP for 747/767 Replacements---article

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Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements
Aviation Daily
Mar 12, 2014 , p. 1.01
Jens Flottau


Delta Air Lines plans to issue a request for proposals (RFP) for new
longhaul aircraft that will replace all of the airline?s Boeing 747-400s
and a significant part of the 767-300ER fleets.

The RFP will go out before the end of the month and Delta could decide
before the end of the year. Amongst other types, the airline is showing
a strong interest in the proposed Airbus A330NEO.

"I hope they (Airbus) do offer an A330NEO," Delta CEO Richard Anderson
told Aviation Week in Atlanta. "There is a huge need for a small
widebody. We really need Airbus to step up and re-engine."

Anderson is pushing for a new 275-seat aircraft that would have a range
of 5,000-5,500 naut. mi. He argues that "aircraft that underfly their
range are uneconomical. You cannot make a 777 consistently profitable
flying only East Coast to Europe. That would be routes 1,000 or 2,000
naut. mi. shorter than what it was designed for."

Delta currently has 16 Boeing 747-400s in the fleet, the oldest of which
have been delivered in 1989 (to what was then Northwest). The airline is
looking at replacing them before the next D-checks are due towards the
end of this decade.

Delta also wants to start the replacement cycle for its 58 767-300ERs,
although for this type deliveries span over a longer period from 1990 to
2001. Combining the 747 replacement and a large part of the 767-300ER
fleet leads to a requirement of an estimated 50 widebodies.

The carrier plans to look at four options: The Airbus A350-900 and
-1000, all three models of the Boeing 787, the current versions of the
A330 and a re-engined A330.

Delta is not looking at the 777X. "We don't want experimental
airplanes," says Anderson. "We are not interested in it."

Delta has a history of caution when it comes to new aircraft types and
its fleet strategy differs compared to many other carriers in that it
tends to keep aircraft longer. In spite of the traditional caution,
Anderson believes Delta now has "good visibility" about the A350 and
787, enough to make a decision at this stage. "Both are pretty well down
the road now," Anderson says and points out that Delta can draw upon
operational experience by its partner carriers Aeromexico and Virgin
Atlantic on the 787 side.

The company has ordered ten A330-300s in the increased 242 tons MTOW
version which are to be delivered from mid-2015. It also operates 21
lower MTOW A330-300s and eleven A330-200s. Anderson argues that a
reengined A330 would find high demand for use on transatlantic routes,
intra-Asia and even some West Coast to Asia flying.

Airbus has entered talks with General Electric, Rolls-Royce and Pratt &
Whitney about a re-engining of the A330, but has not yet made a
decision. The backlog currently stands at 258 aircaft taking production
into 2016 at the current rate of ten aircraft per month. The program
could, however, receive a significant boost through a major order for
potentially more than 100 aircraft from various Chinese airlines. It is
unclear whether the Chinese order would include commitments for the
re-engined aircraft. "Boeing made a mistake in not coming up with an
answer for the 767 and 757 market," he says. While the A330 and 787 are
candidates for part of the 767 missions, "there is no obvious
replacement for the 757." Delta plans to reduce the 757 fleet to around
90 aircraft by 2018.

Another gap Delta would like to fill is a good 115-120-seat aircraft,
slightly larger than the Boeing 717s that is currently taking over from
AirTran. "The 737-700 is not economical and the -800 is too large,"
Anderson says. One option could be the Bombardier C-Series and Delta has
looked at the geared turbofan (GTF) engine in particular. "Our engineers
have a lot of confidence in that gearbox," Anderson says. "But we want
to see the aircraft in the marketplace" before placing an order.





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BILL LUMBERG

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God knows we need em....

My bet is the 330
 

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Lord knows you don't need narrowbodies since you gave that away

Now a bunch of unproficient wide body pilots without the repetition of narrowbody flying will sign onto DAL and land on more taxiways

;)
 

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Did RA say CRJ? No way am I flying an RJ! I don't care if it has 115 seats. Better outsorce it to the kids.
 

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Lord knows you don't need narrowbodies since you gave that away

Now a bunch of unproficient wide body pilots without the repetition of narrowbody flying will sign onto DAL and land on more taxiways

;)

That's ok wavey, since you guys have the nosewheel landings and retractable roofs locked up, it will be hard to measure up. :D
 

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Did RA say CRJ? No way am I flying an RJ! I don't care if it has 115 seats. Better outsorce it to the kids.

That's exactly where RA is going with the next contract. He's got the 90 seaters with this contract and will offer another 5% pay raise each year for 5 years to get DALPA to sign off for the 100-110 seat RJ. Watch and learn gentlemen.

It's just a matter of turning the heat up slowly enough that they won't even notice.
 

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That's exactly where RA is going with the next contract. He's got the 90 seaters with this contract and will offer another 5% pay raise each year for 5 years to get DALPA to sign off for the 100-110 seat RJ. Watch and learn gentlemen.

It's just a matter of turning the heat up slowly enough that they won't even notice.

Red,

There hasn't been a raise in seat numbers (76) yet, and there so far has been two contracts for the combined group. The 717, with first class, probably has about 110 seats(?), and obviously mainline pilots are flying those.

Btw, DALPA and the company have been negotiating for the last two months on resolving FAR 117 issues for reserves (primarily when to notify your acceptance of a trip given to you as a long call reserve), to no avail for the company. It appears DALPA isn't "caving" on this issue, and maybe the company thinks they have actually asked for "too much." (That's good)

How about your upcoming negotiations? Any good news yet?



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That's ok wavey, since you guys have the nosewheel landings and retractable roofs locked up, it will be hard to measure up. :D

;)
Damn, gotta take that don't we:)
 

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You da man Wavey!
 

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Bill:
Notice this part:

Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements

Good point Scoot......didn't see that part. Hopefully, we see growth soon.
 

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777-300 is the only viable whale replacement. They will be less expensive once Boeing starts pushing the 777X. The 767ER's will be replaced by 350's or re-engined 330's
 

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If DAL was smart, they would be looking at the 787-9 or 1000. It is a Superior aircraft to the 350 and the 777x will once again, SMOKE Airbus.
 

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Lord knows you don't need narrowbodies since you gave that away

Now a bunch of unproficient wide body pilots without the repetition of narrowbody flying will sign onto DAL and land on more taxiways

;)
You can do better. How about this:

"Southwest, we may not get ya to the right airport, but we'll get ya somewhere...":beer:
 

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I think they should re-engine the -330 with the GTF engine from Pratt and Whitney...I think it will be the best engine out there...
 

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I think they should re-engine the -330 with the GTF engine from Pratt and Whitney...I think it will be the best engine out there...

They don't have one yet that can produce as much thrust that would be needed for an A330 sized aircraft.
 

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I think Delta is too smart to replace good (but aging) aircraft with new aircraft that never seem to be able to do the job assigned. Unless of course certain individuals have been "persuaded" to make the deal.
Other airlines...not so much.

That being said I think the 330 is the best one Airbus makes, new engines couldn't hurt.
 

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I think Delta is too smart to replace good (but aging) aircraft with new aircraft that never seem to be able to do the job assigned. Unless of course certain individuals have been "persuaded" to make the deal.
Other airlines...not so much.

That being said I think the 330 is the best one Airbus makes, new engines couldn't hurt.[/QUOT





could not agree more ... i like to see 100 A330s here
 
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