Delta E170 in LGA

[737 Pylt]

Because of ALPA's/your MEC's short sighted bargain objectives, (don't merge with the wholly owned, don't permit the regionals to bargain their own scope, the "permitted aircraft" part of Section 1) the flying is not only being driven off the property but to non-ALPA pilot groups off the property.

Much as you like to blame ALPA, if this POS passes, we shouldn't look no further than the mirror!

The resultant dilution of contracting the cheapest carrier has condemned us all to the race to the bottom. ALPA's Bilateral Scope Impact Committee hasn't met is almost three years and the newest "take your eye off the ball" smokescreen committee is the Fee-for-Departure Task Force which will also produce nothing.

Again, easy to blame ALPA, when in all actuality, ALPA is made up of members such as you and I....If you want to point the finger, look in the mirror!

Of course, your MEC will blame their reckless union policy on management but management will always be management. Our problem is the union.

No argument there. I will be really interested in how this vote goes. Everyone I talk to says this POS won't pass, yet they always seem to.

We'll see!
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[Stifler's Mom]

Uhhh... that would be a contradiction, dude. The 170 is most definitely NOT an RJ, and should be a mainline jet. (Air Canada, i.e.)

If anybody gets worked up about it being called an RJ, just tell them you were referring to the size of the paycheck that comes along with it, not the aircraft itself.

 

[buckdanny]

I find it interesting how everybody is ripping apart the E-170 saying that it shouldn't be called an RJ, while a post about Delta farming out CRJ-900 to Mesa has gone unnoticed...

Buck

 

[FR8mastr]

Air Canada doesn't fly the 170. It's a 175 which has more than 70 seats.

So does the 170, up to 78 to be exact.

 

[8HourPilot]

Yeah dude, I really care what you call me. The plane is too big to be a regional, yet here we are.

But they're real pilots because their plane has engines under the wing, LOL.

Yeah, and when ATC tells you to follow, or give way to a E170, make sure you respond "okay, we'll follow the RJ". They love it.

 

[BlueCanoe]

Well it all started when the "REAL pilots" didn't want to fly anything smaller than a Boeing or Douglas product. What's funny is the only Embraer product that is not an EMB-XXX is the E-Jet line (ERJ-XXX). Our socialist friends from the Great White North coined the term RJ, and now, like Kleenex, it's our scarlet letter(s). While I do find it funny that now that I fly something that looks like what "they" fly, the are very curious...until the find out it has 70-72 seats. It's fun when guys from mainline jumpseat and we start talking (I like to be nice and have fun at work...). The shock on their face when the thrust levers move like in their airplane, the MCDU's work like their plane. Even more interesting is when they find out I have more days off than they do and make about the same money.

What do I know? I work at a bottom feeder that pays me more than mainline seems to... I could fight for that good job at UAL, get 4 hard days off on reserve a month plus 6 floating days, take a pay cut for 7 years and maybe when I'm 57 upgrade, once they start hiring; OR I could stay here keep my 15-16 days a month off, fight for better work rules on our next contract cycle (begins April '07) and make the pay higher. As it stands now, I make more than a "MAINLINE" 100 seat pilot scale top out on my 70 seat scale.

The world is changing. It's not even close to settling down. Embrace it, make it worthwhile or bitch and be part of the problem.

Your choice...

 

[wntsouthwest]

Keep Anything Over 70 Seats On A Main=line Certificate... Stop The Madness Now... I Want A Future

I couldn't agree more, nothing over 50 seats belongs at any regional carrier. I wish all you little rich bastards could see that s@!# !!

 

[jetfo]

Keep Anything Over 70 Seats On A Main=line Certificate... Stop The Madness Now... I Want A Future

Better yet aim for brand scope and keep all flying under one certificate!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Better yet aim for brand scope and keep all flying under one certificate!

AMEN! Lets bring back furloughed pilots with thousand of hours back to flying mainline passengers in mainline financed aircraft's under mainline brands and send all this 1000 hour pilots back to "flight instruct" where they belong.

 

[aa73]

Look guys.... "SIZE" has nothing to do with it - it is simply the routes that the aircraft flies which should classify it as "regional" or mainline".

If an ERJ-145 is flying IAH-BOI (Coex), how regional is that? How about LGA-XNA (Eagle). Folks, this is not regional flying, it is mainline medium segment routes.

AA use to fly the BAC-111 in the 60s, which I believe seated around 65 pax... TWA used to fly the DC-9-10, which was around 75-80... why weren't those regional jets? Simple, because those aircraft were retired and replaced with small jets that pilot groups gave away in the mid 90s and in doing so created a new standard of pilot and flying that is gradually growing and taking over the mainline stuff. Eventually "regional pilots" will become "mainline pilots" while being paid a "C-scale" (already happening.)

Granted, the E-170 looks like pretty big and nothing like an RJ - however, when mainline pilot groups cave under the threat of BK and give up scope to the regional feeders, it will become a "regional jet" instead of a "mainline jet." Maybe USAir and DL will become the first ones to break this trend in securing the E-190 flying - good on ya! - albeit for subpar wages. IMHO, they did it correctly - get the aircraft onto the property first, negotiate the pay upwards later. This way we will reverse the trend and keep the bigger jets at mainline -as it should be.

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