Delta Connection pilots unite on pay, work rule issues

[VABB]

Season 0ne and two are out on DVD. Season three should be out soon.

Cool. I saw the first two at the store, going to pick them up soon. Glad to hear #3 is on the way. I also saw that Adam-12 is on DVD also.

 

[Willy21]

What's wrong with having an "in"? I have a great "in" at UPS, and she said that once I get the 1000 PIC turbine, UPS will interview me! That's why I'm in such a big hurry to upgrade, so I can get out of here and on to my goal airline. You guys should try the same thing instead of settling for being a regional lifer.

I hope your in at UPS is there when you get the time. I had an in at Delta. All I needed was 1000 pic and I would get an interview. That was back in 2000. Now he has left with his lump sum, I am very happy he got it by the way, and my chances of getting that job, if they hire any time soon and I can upgrade, just got a little bit harder. I think you need to look at you current job as the job you will have in 20 years. That way if you don't get you UPS job then you won't be dissappointed.

 

[regionaltard]

Sorry drew but paycuts are the way to go. Its the future and the destiny of this industry. If you don't like it QUIT and go on tour with tha big snoop dogg

How many BJ's did you have to give to earn your "welcome back, D'Angelo" fee?

 

[ArcticFlier]

I know that plane is a 737 killer. I'm not going to get on with pax carrier, so I don't care if the replace them or not. I've got an in at UPS. As soon as I get my 1000 turbine PIC, I'm out of here!

What's wrong with having an "in"? I have a great "in" at UPS, and she said that once I get the 1000 PIC turbine, UPS will interview me! That's why I'm in such a big hurry to upgrade, so I can get out of here and on to my goal airline. You guys should try the same thing instead of settling for being a regional lifer.

Hmmmmmm. I didn't know that an interview guaranteed you a job. I'll have to get ahold of those who do the interviews in SGU and let them know how the "real' pilots get hired.



Weird,


AF

 

[COOPERVANE]

If I were you, I wouldn't go out an buy a gun in case you don't get that FedEx job. You might have to use it on yourself.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This has been tried many times before. Every time, somebody does what is in their best interest. Until we have legally binding "brand scope", with the support and backing of the mainline pilot groups, it is totally meaningless. It's kind of like the United Nations trying to get a "cease fire agreement" with Hezbollah. A total waste of time.

 

[Bizjet]

This has been tried many times before. Every time, somebody does what is in their best interest. Until we have legally binding "brand scope", with the support and backing of the mainline pilot groups, it is totally meaningless. It's kind of like the United Nations trying to get a "cease fire agreement" with Hezbollah. A total waste of time.

You are like the pot calling the kettle black. Isn't it you who is always saying we should win the race to the bottom???????? It would never work with MEC leadership that subscribe to your self serving agenda. Which way do you want it Joe?? Who do you think will sell out first Joe? You have a lot of experience in that area. One for all and all for one and every man for himself, right JOE??uke:

 

[JoeMerchant]

You are like the pot calling the kettle black. Isn't it you who is always saying we should win the race to the bottom???????? It would never work with MEC leadership that subscribe to your self serving agenda. Which way do you want it Joe?? Who do you think will sell out first Joe? You have a lot of experience in that area. One for all and all for one and every man for himself, right JOE??uke:

Nobody "wins" in a race to the bottom. However, due to ALPA's total failure, there is a competitive battle going on for flying. Without a true national solution, no single group can stop this race. Single pilot groups have only two choices.

1. Participate in the new competitive fee for departure portfolio,
or
2. Refuse to participate and watch as your fellow union "brothers" take your flying.

Neither one seems like a good choice, but ALPA refuses to do anything to change this environment.

If ALPA cannot change this environment and return the "collective" to collective bargaining, then I choose choice #1. However I would prefer ALPA to start acting like a union, but I don't see that happening.

"Every man for himself" is ALPA's motto Biz.... where have you been?

 

[Leroy Smith]

What's wrong with having an "in"? I have a great "in" at UPS, and she said that once I get the 1000 PIC turbine, UPS will interview me! That's why I'm in such a big hurry to upgrade, so I can get out of here and on to my goal airline. You guys should try the same thing instead of settling for being a regional lifer.

Good luck on that "guaranteed" interview. You sound like the kind of tool that most interviewers would love to send home crying.

 

[~~~^~~~]

This has been tried many times before. Every time, somebody does what is in their best interest. Until we have legally binding "brand scope", with the support and backing of the mainline pilot groups, it is totally meaningless. It's kind of like the United Nations trying to get a "cease fire agreement" with Hezbollah. A total waste of time.

Nah, the United Nations has better odds of success than that.

 

[wmuflyguy]

What's wrong with having an "in"? I have a great "in" at UPS, and she said that once I get the 1000 PIC turbine, UPS will interview me! That's why I'm in such a big hurry to upgrade, so I can get out of here and on to my goal airline. You guys should try the same thing instead of settling for being a regional lifer.

So when is your upgrade?

 

[Bizjet]

[quote="Every man for himself" is ALPA's motto Biz.... where have you been?[/quote]

I have been pissing on your feet Joey and telling you it's rain. You didn't even notice? You must be use to it.:laugh:

 

[JoeMerchant]

I have been pissing on your feet Joey and telling you it's rain. You didn't even notice? You must be use to it.:laugh:

Yes I am used to it...... I do belong to ALPA after all.......

 

[Bizjet]

Yes I am used to it...... I do belong to ALPA after all.......

Wrong again. You belong to Management after all......... Both of you!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wrong again. You belong to Management after all......... Both of you!

I don't "belong" to anyone. I am paying ALPA dues, therefor I am a member of ALPA. I know it is hard for you diehard ALPA people to accept, but we don't all blindly follow ALPA. I don't blindly follow management either. It is foolish to accept either side without question.

 

[Bizjet]

I don't "belong" to anyone. I am paying ALPA dues, therefor I am a member of ALPA. I know it is hard for you diehard ALPA people to accept, but we don't all blindly follow ALPA. I don't blindly follow management either. It is foolish to accept either side without question.

I think either side is more likely to be correct than your flawed logic would allow. You have such a high opinion of yourself and low opinion of others you always question everything. If you are truly so bright how is it that you are only able to see the faults of others. You are so lazy that you can only muster the energy to peck at a key board. You can't even do the LEC 112 duties. If you are so bright how come no one else can see it? Well that is except your girl friend who enables your weirdness.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think either side is more likely to be correct than your flawed logic would allow. You have such a high opinion of yourself and low opinion of others you always question everything. If you are truly so bright how is it that you are only able to see the faults of others. You are so lazy that you can only muster the energy to peck at a key board. You can't even do the LEC 112 duties. If you are so bright how come no one else can see it? Well that is except your girl friend who enables your weirdness.

How is it that you can actually believe that ALPA has handled this scope/whipsaw/portfolio issue in an effective manner? It has been a total failure. Even Bob Arnold, John Rice, and JC Lawson used to admit that ALPA has failed in this regard. All three of them said RJDC was ALPA's last hope. Why are people so hesitant to tell the emperor he has no cloths?

Prove me wrong Bizjet. I will welcome ALPA actually putting a stop to the disaster they have created. We can agree on one thing..... hopefully I am wrong and you are right. However history has shown that ALPA hasn't been very effective in stopping pilot groups from competing for flying within a brand.

Please Bizjet, prove me wrong..... I would welcome it.......

 

[737 Pylt]

How is it that you can actually believe that ALPA has handled this scope/whipsaw/portfolio issue in an effective manner? It has been a total failure. Even Bob Arnold, John Rice, and JC Lawson used to admit that ALPA has failed in this regard. All three of them said RJDC was ALPA's last hope. Why are people so hesitant to tell the emperor he has no cloths?

John, John John....When are you and your girl pal ~~~^~~~ going to stop all your lying? Even someone as misinformed as me knows that JC is no friend of the rjdc as well as can't stand them!

Prove me wrong Bizjet. I will welcome ALPA actually putting a stop to the disaster they have created. We can agree on one thing..... hopefully I am wrong and you are right. However history has shown that ALPA hasn't been very effective in stopping pilot groups from competing for flying within a brand.

You've been proven wrong so many times, I'm starting to lose count. your "anti alpa" crusade is doing nothing good for your fellow aviators at ASA. Maybe you should concentrate on secretary-treasure duties for once and stop acting like a little child!
737

 

[BCpilot81]

You almost sound like you believed that!!

Regional airlines are supposed to be a stepping stone to the majors. Pilots need to use them for what they are, leave and don't look back. Management has ZERO incentive to increase wages and benefits because they KNOW that litterally thousands of young CFI and academy grads are chomping at the bit to get on there and get the required 1000 PIC so they can advance to their goal major.

Long gone are the days where majors were knocking down your doors to get you to work for them with an amount of money that would make you $hit a golden egg. Maybe they will be back one day, but as for right now, I fly with captains that are early to mid 30's been with the company for 9 years and more, waiting for a chance to get a job with a company that is a step forward in pay and opportunity. You can have fun with your 16 month upgrade, I hope the it does serve you well. Hell, I even hope you get that 1000 hours and get the chance to leave and not look back, because if you did, you would see the people you stepped on that are more deserving than you. But you got the job b/c you went to work for a place that made you into the whore of the airline industry. I love flying, I love the job, I love the dream, but not so much that I lose sight of a big and future picture with selfish interests.

 

[BlueCanoe]

All ALPA has to do in the next round of negotiations is this:

Section 1 SCOPE: All aircraft owned by the parent company and all flying done with our airline's behalf and all aircraft with our livery or any deriviative will be done by pilots on the Master Seniority list. No contract carriers, including wholly-owned subsidiaries, may fly on the parent company's behalf.

That's it. Done. Commuters won't exist. I'm sure it can be done. Surely mainline ALPA can see this...

 

[lookin4better]

What's wrong with having an "in"? I have a great "in" at UPS, and she said that once I get the 1000 PIC turbine, UPS will interview me! That's why I'm in such a big hurry to upgrade, so I can get out of here and on to my goal airline. You guys should try the same thing instead of settling for being a regional lifer.

LOL he will STILL be at CHQ in 6 years.......I wonder if he will STILL be hanging out the window then.....have fun CHQ lifer( ie GuppyKiller)

 

[Tomct]

I know that plane is a 737 killer. I'm not going to get on with pax carrier, so I don't care if the replace them or not. I've got an in at UPS. As soon as I get my 1000 turbine PIC, I'm out of here!

:laugh:I almost shot Mountain Dew out my nose when I read this! Your joking....right? Yeah, you and every other tom dck and harry! Get in the "Back" of the line there Jr! You and your 1000 whopping hours are NOTHING compared to the thousands of guys that have 3-4,000 hours of PIC! Your man can't do CHIT!:laugh:

 

[Tomct]

LOL he will STILL be at CHQ in 6 years.......I wonder if he will STILL be hanging out the window then.....have fun CHQ lifer( ie GuppyKiller)

:laugh:NO DOUBT!!

 

[FreightNazi]

:laugh:I almost shot Mountain Dew out my nose when I read this! Your joking....right? Yeah, you and every other tom dck and harry! Get in the "Back" of the line there Jr! You and your 1000 whopping hours are NOTHING compared to the thousands of guys that have 3-4,000 hours of PIC! Your man can't do CHIT!:laugh:

With your arrogant attitude he'll get there way before you do!

 

[Tomct]

With your arrogant attitude he'll get there way before you do!

Actually I was trying to tell him that he is one of THOUSANDS trying for that spot and that 1,000hrs of PIC won't mean nothing! Whether or not I want to work there has NOTHING to do with it! Nice try though.

 

[N4niner206]

Hey BoilerUP, are you the former Purdue intern that worked in 727 flt training?

Purdue sucks.

 

[CFIse]

Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2006/07/17/daily4.html

So Delta put out a rebid for a chunk of the regional flying.

Now we'll see where the ALPA rubber meets the road on this one - although I doubt it actually will do anything and the slide will continue.

 

[Taco Rocket]

After all the name calling, Mesa this Mesa that, now please help us, lets unite?

If I was a Mesa pilot I would have said "kiss my a---"

Yep....

 

[miles otoole]

Hmmmmmm. I didn't know that an interview guaranteed you a job. I'll have to get ahold of those who do the interviews in SGU and let them know how the "real' pilots get hired.



Weird,


AF

Unless you have a nice set of bolt on's, however. Yum, yum........

 

[miles otoole]

With your arrogant attitude he'll get there way before you do!

Just so y'all know, gupykiler and freightnazi are the same girl.